The World Economy Is Becoming Unglued; Models Miss Real-World Behavior

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A common belief is that if the world does not have adequate energy, the result will be high prices. These high prices will allow more fossil fuels to be extracted or will allow renewables to substitute for fossil fuels.

In my view, the real issue is quite different: Inadequate energy supply of the types the economy requires can be expected to affect the economy in a way that causes it to become “unglued.” The economy will gradually fall apart as infighting becomes more of a problem. Goods won’t necessarily be high-priced; many simply won’t be available at any price. Political parties will fragment. Conflict within countries, such as the recent Wagner conflict with the military leadership in Russia, will become more common.

It has become fashionable to use models to predict the future, but simple models do not consider real-world dynamics. They don’t consider the importance of already existing infrastructure and the types of energy products this infrastructure requires. They don’t consider the importance of continuing food production. They don’t consider the dynamics of “not enough goods and services to go around.”

In this post, I will look at some pieces of evidence that suggest we should expect the world economy to become unglued as limits are hit. A corollary is that we cannot expect a transition to a world powered by renewables to work.

[1] It is easy to show that the energy supplies of a finite world will eventually fall short.

Anyone can model the energy supplies of a finite world as a bucket of sand and a scooper. If the scooper is used to remove the sand from the bucket, it will eventually become empty. If we start with a larger bucket of sand, perhaps the process can be delayed. Or, if we use a smaller scooper, the process will be delayed. But the result will be the same.

Back in 1957, Rear Admiral Hyman Rickover of the US Navy gave a speech in which he said,

For it is an unpleasant fact that according to our best estimates, total fossil fuel reserves recoverable at not over twice today’s unit cost, are likely to run out at some time between the years 2000 and 2050, if present standards of living and population growth rates are taken into account.

In this speech, Rickover pointed out the importance of fossil fuels to maintain our standard of living and to win wars. It was clear to the military that fossil fuel energy supplies were tremendously important in preventing future problems for the economy.

[2] History shows that economies tend to grow and eventually collapse.

Economies tend to operate in cycles, as illustrated in Figure 1.

Figure 1. My chart of the findings of Peter Turchin and Surgey Nefedov in their 2009 book, Secular Cycles.

The eight economies analyzed by Turchin and Nefedov moved into a new area or acquired a new energy resource. These economies tended to grow for a long periods, well over 100 years, until the populations hit the carrying capacity of the available resources. These economies were able to work around these resource limits during a period of Stagflation, which typically lasted about 50 to 60 years. Eventually, the problems became too great to be overcome. A Crisis Period of falling population and GDP, lasting 20 to 50 years, typically ensued.

[3] The world economy today seems to be following a similar cycle based on its use of fossil fuels. In fact, we seem to be in the Crisis Period of such a cycle.

Today’s fossil fuel-based world economy started growing at varying times, in various places around the world, becoming well established by the early 1800s. It seems to have hit a Stagflation Period between 1970 and 1980. Recent patterns in oil supply per capita, interest rates, and debt levels suggest to me that the world economy has entered the Crisis Period of the current cycle.

To me, oil supply, particularly crude oil supply, is exceptionally important in keeping the economy growing because it is heavily used in producing the food supply and transporting it to market. In fact, it is heavily used in transportation of all kinds. We can see what is going wrong by looking at the trend in crude oil per capita (blue line on Figure 2).

Figure 2. World oil supply per capita based on data of the US Energy Information Administration.

On Figure 2, a line is drawn at 2005, when many people believe that peak “conventional” oil was reached. The line at 2009 points out the long-term slide in oil consumption per capita between 2005 and 2009, related at least in part to the Great Recession of 2008-2009. There was another steep drop in crude oil per capita in 2020, and this drop has not been made up. Cutbacks in drilling and low oil prices suggest that per capita consumption may never recover to the 2018 level.

US interest rates over time indicate a clear up and down pattern, with increases to 1981, and mostly decreases since then (Figure 3). Raising interest rates is like putting brakes on the economy because it makes monthly payments on loans higher. Lowering interest rates is like pressing on the accelerator.

Figure 3. Interest rates of 3-month Treasury Bills, 10-year Treasury Securities, and 30-year Fixed Rate Mortgages, based on information of the Federal Reserve of Saint Louis.

The US was in a Stagflation Period after 1980. Lower interest rates helped push the economy along, at least until they could go no lower. The first place falling interest rates stalled was in 2008, when they hit zero for the shortest-term debt. About the beginning of 2021, interest rates started to rise, to try to stop inflation.

At the same time, the US’s ability to add to debt, except US government debt, seems to have stalled about 2008 and again in 2021.

Figure 4. US ratios of debt to GDP by sector based on data from the Federal Reserve of St. Louis database. Amounts for total debt and for Households (which includes not-for-profits, such as churches), Business Non-Financial, and Federal Government are from this database. Financial+ is calculated by subtraction.

The combination of Figures 2, 3, and 4 suggests that the world economy has been on shaky ground since 2008. The US economy has been operating with incredibly low interest rates. If the world loses the ability to hide energy problems behind ever-lower interest and ever-higher debt, (particularly government debt), many parts of the economy could start coming apart.

[4] The world’s total energy supply must increase at least as fast as population to keep the economy growing and away from collapse.

A couple of years ago, I did an analysis of the growth in energy consumption compared to the growth of population over the period 1820 to 2020. I found that when energy consumption was rising faster than population, there tended to be a rise in standards of living. When energy consumption grew only as fast as population, problematic things (such as wars and governmental collapses) tended to happen (Figure 5).

Figure 5. Chart by Gail Tverberg using data from several sources, in energy data from Vaclav Smil’s estimates from Energy Transitions: History, Requirements and Prospects, together with BP Statistical Data for 1965 and subsequent.

On Figure 5, the sum of red and blue areas represents world energy consumption growth by 10-year periods. The blue areas represent population growth percentages during these 10-year periods. The red area is determined by subtraction. It represents the amount of energy consumption growth that is “left over” for growth in standards of living. When growth in energy consumption was inadequate, wars tended to take place, and the collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union took place.

We are now at a point where energy consumption may decrease dramatically in future years, especially if we attempt to convert to a system based on intermittent wind and solar. The drop in energy consumption, relative to population, would likely be far worse than any situation we have experienced in the past. Besides being inadequate in quantity, wind and solar are not adapted to handling our most basic need, which is for providing the inputs farmers require to provide us with food.

[5] A key to understanding the role of fuels of the right kinds is understanding the physics-based way that the economy operates.

The economy is very much like the human body. The operation of both is governed by the laws of physics. The human body needs to consume a variety of food products. Alternative foods can be substituted, but the overall quantity of food needs to be sufficient for the population and their level of activity.

Likewise, the world economy requires a variety of energy products to operate. Substitutions can sometimes be made, but the overall quantity must be sufficient to support the activities of the economy, including providing adequate food and water for the population and ways to transport these items to the population that needs them.

There are other similarities, as well. Humans start out as small babies. Eventually, humans grow old. In the years leading up to death, they often become frail. The cycle downward at the end of an economy’s life is somewhat similar. Economies, even the world economy, cannot last forever.

[6] To build and maintain cities, it is necessary for energy to be easily storable.

In his book, Against the Grain, the American political scientist James C. Scott points out that in order for governments to grow and to provide infrastructure for cities, it is necessary to tax farmers. Grain is ideal for this; taxing a root crop such as sweet potatoes does not work well. Root crops are hard to see when they are growing. They also are harder to transport and store.

Clearly, farmers must have a surplus of storable energy to make cities and good roads work. They must be able to produce this surplus energy in a sufficiently profitable way that governments can tax it and use the proceeds for the benefit of the overall population.

I think that excess storable energy is the true “net energy” that some authors write about. A city cannot operate only when the wind happens to be blowing or the sun happens to be shining. Everyone would clog the roads at the same time, trying to get to a job that might last only a few minutes. Even today, if a city is to have electricity when it is needed, even in winter, there needs to be a storable supply of fuel to provide this electricity. Batteries cannot provide this level of storage; we would run out of materials.

Cities are essential for the sharing of ideas and for the operation of major industries.

We can have an economy of hunter-gatherers running on intermittent energy alone. We might even be able to have cities based on stored grain, as civilizations did in the past. But the population would need to be far less than today’s 8 billion.

[7] Both energy density and storability are needed if the world’s population is to be fed.

A farmer needs machines that are not so heavy that they will sink into the soil. Soil compaction is also an issue with heavy machines. If soil is compacted, water cannot make its way through the pores properly. Rain will tend to run off, causing erosion, instead of sinking in, to provide longer-term benefit. Soil compaction is already a problem with today’s large machinery. Less dense fuels, or the use of heavy battery packs, will make the problem even worse.

Energy dense fuel is also needed for the transportation of food. In fact, energy dense fuel, such as diesel or jet fuel, is used in nearly all of today’s very large vehicles. Heavy vehicles operated in situations that require very large bursts of power especially need energy dense fuel. Examples include semi-trailer trucks, buses that drive up steep hills, airplanes that need bursts of power to take off, agricultural vehicles that might get stuck in mud, and vehicles used in construction and road making.

Trains operating on smooth tracks, with limited gradients, don’t need the same bursts of power, so they are sometimes electric. Boats don’t generally need large bursts of power, but boats generally use an energy-dense liquid fuel to propel them on long journeys. Storing enough electricity in batteries to power such long journeys would be impractical.

The recently published 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy (now produced by the Energy Institute, instead of BP) shows that the heavier, more energy-dense types of burnable oil have been falling as a share of the world’s oil supply.

Figure 6. Chart shows that more energy dense types of oil products (sum of diesel, jet fuel/kerosene, and fuel oil) have been falling relative to the world supply of diesel or total liquids oil. All amounts used in the calculation are from EI’s 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy, except for world crude oil for 1980 through 1999, which is based on EIA data.

These heavier grades are the ones best suited to essential future energy needs, and they seem to be depleting the most quickly.

[8] Added complexity is deceptive. It looks like it can save energy, but it tends to increase wage disparities and makes the overall system more fragile.

Added complexity for an economy includes changes such as more built infrastructure (roads, dams, bridges), larger businesses, more specialization of workers, more international trade, and longer supply chains. It is easy for modelers to assume that these changes have no energy cost, but in reality, they do.

Changes enabling growing complexity go hand in hand with more debt and more financialization of the economy. With greater complexity, owners and managers of businesses, as well as highly trained workers, tend to receive a disproportionate share of the wealth. This means that little is left over for non-elite workers. These wage and wealth disparities lead to the unhappiness of the lower-paid workers. This is especially the case during economic downturns.

With added complexity, the system becomes more fragile. Supply lines become longer, so missing parts are more likely to be a problem. Repair parts for wind turbines may become unavailable, for example. The US grid would need massive improvements to handle the proposed increase in wind and solar power, and the demands of EVs. All of the simultaneous commodity demands may become too much for suppliers to meet.

Even changes in financial systems could be a serious problem. With the conflict over the SWIFT money processing system, will one group of countries start using a different financial exchange program, such as Iran’s financial messaging system SEPAM? Will Western nations find themselves cut off from purchasing inputs they depend upon?

[9] Modeling underlying the analysis for the 1972 book The Limits to Growth shows that (total materials required for reinvestment each year) as a percentage of (total economic output) is an important limit.

Somehow, the economy must provide enough goods and services both for the needs of the current members of the economy and for the investment needed to keep the system operating in the future.

The economy is squeezed in three different ways:

  • The population keeps growing, and each person needs food, clothing, and a variety of services.
  • Resources of all kinds (not just fossil fuels) become more difficult to extract due to depletion. More of the output of the economy needs to go into investment, just to get the same quantity of copper, lithium, nickel, and minerals of all kinds, including fossil fuels.
  • With the rising population and increasing resource use, pollution becomes a bigger problem. Mitigation efforts lead to a need to use more resources to keep pollution away from humans.

To keep the system operating, we cannot spend very much on the combination of resource extraction and pollution control, or there will not be enough resources left to meet the needs of the growing population.

This combination limit tells me is that a rapid transition of any kind toward any new energy type, even toward the use of “green energy,” is not likely to work well. There is a reason why past transitions to new energy types have been very slow. The economy cannot invest enough without starving other parts of the economy.

Some people have interpreted this combination limit as an Energy Return on Energy Investment limit of perhaps 10:1, but it seems to me to be a far more serious limit than this. At a minimum, all types of resources, including those for backup batteries and additional long distance transmission lines, must be included in any calculation for renewables.

Also, to keep the system operating, any shift from fossil fuels to renewables cannot have a delayed payback period, relative to fossil fuels, or the huge up-front investment will become a problem. The up-front investment in renewables will be higher, but there will not be enough output to support the economy. The “real” economy does not operate on an accrual basis; people need to eat every day, and aluminum smelters expect to operate every day.

As I mentioned previously, renewables aren’t really helpful for growing food. Nor are reliable enough to power aluminum smelters, so there is a real issue as to whether they should even be considered as possible substitutes for fossil fuels. They are simply add-ons to the fossil fuel system to avoid having to talk about our fossil fuel supply problems. Reframing the issue as “wanting to move away from fossil fuels to prevent climate change” saves having to talk about the inadequate fossil fuel supply problem, and the fact that fossil fuels are what make today’s lifestyle possible.

[10] Energy prices must be both high enough for producers to make a profit and low enough for consumers to afford goods made with these energy products.

It is the conflict between the needs of consumers and producers that tends to bring fossil fuel energy production down. Consumers say, “We can’t stand oil (or natural gas or electricity) prices this high, and demand that politicians hold prices down.” In fact, this just recently happened in Australia with natural gas prices. Without an adequate profit motive, drillers cut back on drilling and production falls.

Renewables have gotten mandates and subsidies, especially the subsidy of going first on the electric grid. It is these subsidies and mandates that have made investments in wind turbines and solar panels attractive. Once governments have more financial problems and these subsidies disappear, owners are likely to stop making repairs to these systems. They will not last longer than fossil fuel-based systems, in my opinion.

[11] Conclusion: We are in uncharted territory.

I mentioned that the Great Recession of 2008-2009 seemed to mark the beginning of the downturn. More financial problems are no doubt ahead, but other kinds of strange events may also occur.

It seems possible that Covid, its vaccines, and the restrictions in 2020 may even have been part of the “ungluing.” Self-organizing physics-based systems act strangely. World oil supply started declining in 2019. Militaries around the world have been concerned about fossil fuel limits for many years. Militaries have also been deeply involved with germ warfare. Economies around the world were experiencing financial problems. The shutdowns conveniently reduced demand and prices for oil, while giving economies around the world an excuse for more debt. The problems were kicked down the road until 2022 and 2023, when they reappeared as inflation.

We can’t know what lies ahead, but it may be very strange, indeed.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,059 Responses to The World Economy Is Becoming Unglued; Models Miss Real-World Behavior

  1. Rodster says:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/von-greyerz-catastrophic-debt-implosion-can-be-incredibly-quick

    THE WORLD HAS REACHED PEAK CHEAP ENERGY:
    The primary driver of economic growth since the second half of the 1700s has been the discovery and use of energy on an industrial scale, starting with the industrial revolution.

    The growth of the economy is not driven by money but by energy.

    As Tim Morgan of Surplus Energy Economics states:

    “The economy is a surplus energy equation, not a monetary one, and growth in output (and in the global population) since the Industrial Revolution has resulted from the harnessing of ever-greater quantities of energy. But the critical relationship between energy production and the energy cost of extraction is now deteriorating so rapidly that the economy as we have known it for more than two centuries is beginning to unravel.”

    The dilemma is that the Energy Cost of Energy is constantly increasing. In 1990 that cost was 2.6% of fossil fuels and is estimated to be 12% in 2025. According to Dr Morgan, with the current Energy Cost of Energy, the real economy as well as prosperity has started to decline and that trend will continue for several decades. Fossil fuels still represent 83% of all energy globally and renewable energy is unlikely to make any significant difference in the next few decades.

    So we are now looking at peak cheap energy at a time when asset markets are in bubble territory with debts and deficits at levels which can only result in an implosion.

    Again let me emphasise that cheap energy is a prerequisite for economic growth.

    PANICKING GOVERNMENTS TAKE IRRATIONAL MEASURES:
    So, what are governments doing about this? They are clearly aware of the risks and this is why they invent all kinds of events that will enable them to control the people. This includes Covid lockdowns, forced vaccinations, climate control, CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currencies), wars and unlimited rules, regulations and laws. The US for example now has over 300,000 laws controlling all aspects of daily life and making everyone a likely daily felon.

    • I would say that the world economy has hit peak affordable energy. I am not convinced that the “Energy Cost of Energy” is key. The calculation gives way too much benefit to wind and solar, among other things. The people putting together the calculation meant well, but they couldn’t handle complexity.

      It is the hours of labor that are required to buy food, water, and the many other things today’s lives require that is important. Today’s young people find that most of them are not earning enough to pay for everything, including the debt required to finance their college educations.

  2. MG says:

    Imagine that you have some miraculous glasses that enable you to see all the pollution, the depletion, the ageing and the accumulation of the untreated genetic mutations. The world would look very very grey and sad…

    • I don’t agree with you. It is genetic variations that get us out of the current bottleneck. We humans cannot solve our problems now. Perhaps some group of people who are fairly different can solve our energy problems.

      My son who is mildly autistic has abilities that most people don’t have. He can read computer code in a way most of us cannot. He can listen to a recorded book and write computer code at the same time. But he cannot concentrate sufficiently on driving to operate an automobile safely.

      I have a niece with an amazing ability to remember details from years ago (date, day of the week, what people were wearing, etc.).

      Our economy depends on “survival of the best adapted.” It is the variation in genetic material that allows populations to get past situations that would otherwise be permanent bottlenecks.

      • A modern mancould mate with a woman of 10-20—50–100 k years ago

        ie, it would still be of the same species

        What wouldnt be possible, would be to mate with a femele of maybe 1m years ago

        ie the species, in the reproductive sense,would have mutated over that period of time

        I the same way that an ape and a man could not reproduce

        Mutations have diverged too much

        My point being that a small group of humans isn’t going to change into something else over the next century

        • Ed says:

          A single mutation happen in say 20 years the time from conception to breeding age. If a series of many mutation is needed then yes it takes a long time say 100,000 years. There are also mutations that already exist. If a self selecting group forms and interbreeds they can “quickly” have a unique sub group, say Kasharian mafia.

          A bottleneck can allow an existing mutation or complex of mutations to take over the whole population by killing off the one without the needed mutation.

  3. Article by Doug Casey:

    The Collapse of the ‘Risk-Free’ Delusion: Implications for the $133 Trillion Bond Market

    Did you know that 2022 was the WORST year for US Treasuries in American history?

    The benchmark 10-year Treasury fell nearly 18%, and the 30-year Treasury collapsed over 39%. Many other bonds did even worse.

    We should all know that bond values fall as interest rates rates. He then makes a number of point about what might be happening going forward:

    The Big Picture

    In the post-WWII era, Treasuries were a stable foundation for the global bond market as the US dollar reigned supreme as the world’s premier reserve currency.

    However, that foundation has rotted. It is on the path to collapse as the petrodollar system falls apart and a multipolar world order emerges.

    Snippets from later in the post:

    Observation #1: The US government can’t repay its debt. Default is inevitable.

    Observation #2: It will not be an explicit default.

    Observation #3: The debt will continue to grow at an accelerating pace.

    Observation #4: Foreigners are not buying as many Treasuries.

    https://internationalman.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/foreign-debt-holders-1024×730.png

    Observation #5: The US government cannot allow interest rates to rise much further.

    Observation #6: The Federal Reserve is the only significant buyer of Treasuries stepping up, which means currency debasement.

    – – – – – –

    I would add that at some point, the system has to collapse. The US Federal Government either gives programs (like Social Security) to the states, or it disappears, the way the central government of the Soviet Union disappeared. There could be civil war, with different parts of the US “sticking together.”

    • Ed says:

      The states have no money to pay social security, medicare, medicaid. What can not continue stops.

      • But the Federal Government is not the “bad guy” in this approach. It is the local government.

        • Ed says:

          Oh my, now Gail is thinking like a politician, this is bad. But she is of course correct.

          I am running for town supervisor don’t go thinking the town will be picking up any of the welfare programs that the fed, state, county can not afford.

          Our hot issues are the right to ride your horse on the town roads and if dog must be crated when in a car.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        isn’t it a neat trick that the federal gov gives money to the states? since the feds can print unlimited and the states can’t print.

        it’s looking good for the debt to hit $50 trillion later this decade, since surplus energy is only declining very slowly. (17 mbpd US+CA but that’s another story.)

        I would guess it eventually hits $100 trillion, in the brutal 2030s.

        that debt surge is an essential game strategy, it’s worked fairly well up to the present, it should work a while longer.

        though it’s “working” to hold off Collapse, it isn’t working to prevent declining prosperity.

        continuity almost always prevails over discontinuity, so the slooooooow decline of world prosperity should continue.

        que sera sera.

    • drb753 says:

      Can anyone offer hypotheses as to what a non explicit default will look like?

  4. AI is not really the solution everyone hoped for:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tsmc-delays-arizona-chip-plants-mass-production-amid-labor-shortage

    World’s Largest Chipmaker Slashes Guidance As AI Boom Fails To Deliver

    Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. warned about a deepening semiconductor downturn as the boom in artificial intelligence fails to offset mounting global economic headwinds. TSMC’s stock slumped this morning after the chip giant said it expects 2023 revenue will drop by around 10% instead of the 5% decline projected three months ago.

    “Three months ago we were probably more optimistic, but now [we are] not. The recovery of the Chinese economy is weaker than we thought, so end-market demand is not as we expected,” said C.C. Wei, CEO of TSMC. . .

    TSMC is the world’s largest chipmaker and primary chip supplier for NVDA, as well as the top supplier for AAPL, QCOM, and AMD. Its first revenue drop since 2019 and slashed guidance for the fiscal year is an ominous sign for bubbly stocks.

    Regarding the Arizona plant:

    On Thursday, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. announced it would postpone mass production at its plant in Arizona to 2025 due to a shortage of skilled workers, the Nikkei reported.

    I would also wonder about water supplies for a semiconductor plant to be built in Arizona. Taiwan was having problems with inadequate water supply for semiconductor manufacturing two years ago, and seems to have similar problems again now:

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Business-Spotlight/Taiwan-braces-for-drought-in-key-chip-hubs-again

    Taiwan braces for drought in key chip hubs again
    Water challenge comes as island pushes to maintain ‘silicon shield’ against China

    Taiwan, home to Asia’s biggest semiconductor industry, is once again bracing for water shortages less than two years after overcoming its worst drought in a century.

    • JesseJames says:

      Putting a semiconductor plant that needs huge quantities of water in AZ is stupid. This reeks of a political decision.
      Samsung is now building a new plant in Taylorsville near Austin. It is strangely located on top of an aquifer.

      • Ed says:

        No skilled workers in Arizona full of retirees and Mexican gardeners and house keepers. Who have thought.

        • Ed says:

          Maybe TSMC can build a plant in Slovakia /snark

          or maybe Italy just as the Chinese bring in Chinese works to make luxury products in Milan they could bring in skilled workers to make semiconductor in Italy.

    • what they are really doing is

      ‘converting the planet into cash’

      ie–selling finite water for (Theoretically( infinite money

      which of course is a nonsense–but we all believe that our money will be there forever,

      it is a political decision because it creates jobs and jobs buy votes
      politicos want to stay in office at any cost.

  5. This article by Charles Hugh Smith is almost two weeks olds, but I think it is very good.

    All Dreams End: The Collapse of Keynesian Economics
    Now that debt is rising faster than “growth,” and “growth” is dependent on speculative credit-asset bubbles, the collapse of the Keynesian dream looms large.

    Unbeknownst to economists, the Keynesian bedrock of modern economics–using financial repression and government spending funded by debt to manage the business cycle of growth and recession–is an artifact of a century of expansive cheap energy and virtuous demographics.

    Presented as quasi-scientific “laws of economics,” Keynesian policies of suppressing interest rates and funding stimulus with debt were only possible in an era in which energy per capita (per person) always became more abundant and affordable in terms of the purchasing power of wages, i.e. how many hours of labor does it take to buy the energy to fuel a vehicle, prepare a meal, etc.

    The demographics of the 100 years of Keynesian supremacy were also uniquely favorable. The workforce paying taxes and funding pay-as-you-go social benefits to retirees (Social Security and Medicare) and the less fortunate (welfare, Medicaid) expanded smartly decade after decade, expanding government revenues and spending as the natural result of an expanding workforce.

    A third uniquely favorable condition was the vast pool of natural capital that had not yet been financialized, i.e. turned into a commodity that could be used as collateral for new debt and leverage. Tapping this untapped pool of capital enabled the vast expansion of debt, public and private. (See charts below)

    A fourth uniquely favorable condition was globalization, a benign-sounding term for the brazen exploitation of the planet’s remaining reserves of resources and cheap labor. Profits swelled as these last pockets of easy-to-exploit sources of wealth were tapped.

    These four conditions have all topped out and are now reversing. The cheap-to-access energy has been consumed, the workforce has shifted from expansion to stagnation while the populace of retirees explodes, globalization has run its course, having stripmined the planet and human populace, and every potential source of new collateral has been financialized / leveraged to the hilt.

    • Dennis L. says:

      “is an artifact of a century of expansive cheap energy and virtuous demographics.” On earth yes, space nope, stuff is free, moving it involves only overcoming inertia, pollution is a non issue when processed in space, unlimited fusion energy is as close as the sun.

      Demographics becomes meaningless, humans and biology are self replicating, make self replicating machines and use same in space with fusion energy and no pollution problems. Pollution is a real expense which earth based economics externalized, Jupiter is the new land fill, er. planet fill.

      Starship is the key, need to move >=4% of total launch weight to space per my understanding, this number was mentioned by Musk; I did not double check, it is close enough.

      Globalization is history, solarification is the future; it is written in the stars.

      TINA, they will think of something, we read the fabric of the universe as history, what we see has already happened, or been prepared if you like. It is the darn speed of light thing.

      Expect some bumps along the way.

      Dennis L.

      • The Space Solar folks would like to see their plans work out, but I am afraid they may be too late. They may also require too much complexity, including debt for an overwhelmingly large system.

        • Dennis L. says:

          Gail,

          If it is too late, then there is nothing to lose, I do not want solar energy concentrated in space and beamed to earth; our spaceship cannot take it, global warming seems to be real; we cannot change that but we don’t have to make it worse. I want stuff manufactured in space with waste energy and pollution left in space.

          This site has convinced me the alternatives generally presented do not work.

          So, TINA.

          Dennis L.

      • Ed says:

        “make self replicating machines and use same in space”
        and AI to control the machines

        This is our get out of jail card. No massive inputs from Earth required.

  6. Student says:

    (gCaptain – Bloomberg) “Russia warned that from Thursday any ships traveling to Ukraine’s Black Sea ports will be seen as possibly carrying military cargoes.”

    In other words, it could be hit.

    https://gcaptain.com/russia-issues-warning-to-ukrainian-bound-ships/

  7. Today is the last day and by the time the next post shows up in probably August the West would be driven closer to collapse.

    At this point survival doesn’t really change things since the resource base, despite of Dennis L’s increasingly irrational opinions, won’t recover.

    Authoritarianism will triumph, but not the western authoritarianism where at least things were built and progresses were made, but the eastern authoritarianism, where all the resources were spent building some Emperor’s tomb (the Dowager Empress of China spent all of the funds earmarked for the Navy to build a garden for herself, which led to the Chinese Navy being whipped by the Japanese in 1894) will win.

    • Dennis L. says:

      Kul,
      I have placed my bets, time will tell. What are your bets? Not sarcastic, I envy your apparent knowledge of history, far beyond mine.

      There are two aspects of wealth, liquidity, being able to meet liabilities as they come due, and assets which require liquidity at inopportune times.

      Dennis L.

      • In roulette, black and red have an odd of 48.67% each. The zero, which makes both black and white lose, has an odd of 1/37, or about 2.7% which is the house edge. (American roulette has 0 and 00 which makes the house edge higher)

        You are like someone who is betting for 0, or a single number, all the time for the 2.7% odds (1/37) which pays 1 to 35.. I am like someone who bets on red or black, going after a 1-1 odds

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “Today is the last day and by the time the next post shows up in probably August the West would be driven closer to collapse.”

      sure we’ll be 10 days closer to the 2030s.

      I’ll repeat: the 2020s are 1/3rd in the history books.

      in 17 months, it will be one half.

      tempus fugit.

      it would be quite exciting for a Big Bad Black Swan to come flying in and disrupt the continuity of bAU in IC.

      most of the significant disruption in the 2020s has been in some smaller weaker Periphery countries such as Lebanon and Sri Lanka.

      sooner or later it will hit some of the big boys in the Core, and inevitably even in the Inner Core.

      I will guess later rather than sooner.

  8. Hary says:

    Wow, Tim Watkins has published an unusually long but extremely good article!

    It’ a fine combination of the financial economy and the real/physical economie

    https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2023/07/19/our-predicament-re-stated/?fbclid=IwAR2Ey_YGDiNGN6Ic0-tyWRucye-Gz_yy_P9v8y3uSxZzxxPP1r6Hun7gaSE

    “The banks, however, are correct to doubt the likely future growth of an economy increasingly starved of the energy that it needs to function. In the 2020s, it is not just that we are out of cheap oil, but we are rapidly running out of more accessible oil entirely. And since none of the alternatives to oil – fossil and non-fossil – is viable without oil, then the only possible economy in future is a shrinking one… and nobody has figured out how to operate one of those.”

    • Dennis L. says:

      Hary,

      Yes, the peak has been reached on earth, have you noticed Elon is going up? He is more or less the world’s richest man, implies he makes good bets; not good to take the opposite side of his trades.

      Dennis L.

    • ivanislav says:

      One of his better posts

  9. MG says:

    God created a system where humans are doomed to death and extinction.

    Hopefully, there is someone better than God, who will save us.

    Is it his son?

    Or some other force?

    • drb753 says:

      His brother in law.

    • Jan says:

      You take a wonderful sports car on a sunny day in France and run with 230 km/h against a bridge pillar. Whom can you blame, God?

    • Zemi says:

      No. We live on the prison planet that the demiurge created for us, and we are doomed to eternal reincarnation. Various animals suffer the daily holocaust of being skinned alive, eaten alive, etc. The sacred food chain, you know. Meanwhile the Earth and its creatures are subject to cataclysms, earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, volcano eruptions, deadly heatwaves, and occasional dangers from space: Carrington events, meteorite strikes, etc.

      Then there are the human psychopaths, sociopaths, violent criminal and cruel dictators that we must put up with. Meanwhile, NP recites his deadly poetry to selected victims, who then succumb in horror and collapse lifeless on the floor. The doctors say, “Oh dear, it must have been Covid again”, and then gratefully add the victims to the Covid death toll statistics.

      Next time I get to the other side, I’m going to sue Mr. God for every penny he’s got. But in fact he’s just a smokescreen for the REAL power behind the scenes: the demiurge. As above, so below. 🙁 It was ever thus.

      • lol zemi— i like it

        i’ve been asked to chair my local poetry appreciation group

        should i be suspicious, in that the next meeting is at the local hospice? Maybe they’ve all decided on a quick end.
        Public service, saving the taxpayers medical costs. There’s always a silver lining somewhere

        but i shall put a health warning on the door for our next meeting.—i wouldn’t want relatives to sue me.

        • Zemi says:

          So, an admission in plain sight. You are a most evil man, Pagett. One day the BBC will screen a documentary about you, entitled something like: “The serial-killing poet”. Infamy at last!

          • oh well

            i couldn’t expect to get away with being a cereal killer all my life–been an interesting sideline though.
            I think most of my victims died laughing. Not supposed to work like that is it?

            perhaps it is time to repent.

            I remember my old grandad used to say—“one day Albert Pierrepoint will come for you my lad”

            Next time the JWs come knocking, I’ll ask if they can put in a good word with the almighty, if they can, i’ll join.—and get saved.

          • Sam says:

            I’d have to say you are off base Zemi. That criticism is very childish. You can do better…

    • It is no different than john calhoun’s rat experiment

    • Dennis L. says:

      God created the fabric of the universe and we only read it as history as the speed of light limits when we receive information. We are reading history, not the future.

      Dennis L.

  10. Lorraine H Sherman says:

    Just in case Fast Eddy hasn’t posted this yet. There is a News Flash coming out of recent UK data that is devastating. We are talking, in one case, a 60+ sigma level event. (Gail if you can explain what a 60 sigma level event is, would greatly appreciate it.)

    Ed Dowd crunches the UK numbers and the numbers are horrifying. Makes ya a little shaky, if you can compute the numbers.

    Oh, and did you know Adult Onset Autism is a thing now?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyujh-fNQjk

    Ramifications of an MIA work force anyone? Here’s my take:

    More accidents in public transport as more and more employees miss work along with diversity hires. Think planes, buses, trains, ships, ports, and we can add in those single car accidents piling up….. More store closures. More delays in replacement parts. More delays in hospital care and ambulance responses. More school closures. More bank closures. Higher prices for everything.

    Ed Dowd had calculated, based on employee records from the US Labor Department, that about 1/3 of the US work force is missing a lot of work due to being chronically ill. This is a real catastrophe.

    It’s not the vaccine.

    • Xabier says:

      ‘Adult Onset Autism’: is that when one finds oneself speechless in the face of the depressing immensity of human stupidity, gullibility and evil?

      I think I have some symptoms.

      But I can pull out of it by talking about the weather house prices and holiday plans….

    • drb753 says:

      60 sigma means 60 times the normal statistical fluctuations. These, for a population, are generally taken as the square root of the number of the population. For example in Italy close to 10,000 people die in a week. The square root is 100. That means that 9,900 or 10,100 are normal random fluctuations, but a 60 sigma event is 16,000. Still, this is not a lot of deaths, and the world population is still increasing.

    • Cromagnon says:

      Its not the accelerating sickness and death that is tragedy……its the fact that most humans refuse to acknowledge what has been done. Stupid, cowardly and fully domesticated…….

      • Xabier says:

        Yes, Cromag., people are in general incurious, unobservant, and lacking in what would think to be elementary prudence, to a degree that is staggering.

        One is tempted to conclude that they deserve whatever fate awaits them – and I believe hey are about to be dealt it!

    • Adonis says:

      From what i can see the jabs are shortening lifespans so in 10 years time world population could be cut back by 20% or more thereby extending bau lite by even more anything is possible if resources are used up more slowly allowing mankind time to come up with a cheap energy source such as gold hydrogen this baby could be our saviour the earth is swimming in the stuff but investment is currently low and hardly anyone is looking so this is our best hope in my opinion. .https://www.newscientist.com/article/2363076-gold-hydrogen-is-there-a-huge-reserve-of-clean-fuel-in-earths-crust/

    • Gumtoo says:

      It’s not the rat juice?

      Part of the plan…simple, really…

      https://savesapiens.blogspot.com/2023/06/what-do-our-masters-have-planned.html

      • “Real power is achieved when the ruling class controls the material essentials of life, granting and withholding them from the masses as if they were privileges.”
        – George Orwell

        Perhaps we should all go back and read the book 1984.

        • Orwell was quite correct

          but what he didnt take into account was the raw energy input needed to support the state itself—and that it was finite.

          If youre going to have a oppressive system, it requires force, ie manpower

          And they must be sustained

          they can only be sustained on the surplus of the workers

          ie—a slave economy.

          So you have 3 tiers—the elite, the guards and the workers.

          this can last for a time, but it must inevitably collapse under its own weight of oppression and demand.
          Slaves are not an infinite resource, neither is the energy they produce.

          Eventually the elite demand too much, and pay their guards too little–or the guards themselves decide they want it all.

          then its game over.

      • Wikipedia says,

        Thematically, it [the book 1984] centres on the consequences of totalitarianism, mass surveillance and repressive regimentation of people and behaviours within society.[2][3] Orwell, a democratic socialist, modelled the authoritarian state in the novel on the Soviet Union in the era of Stalinism, and Nazi Germany.[2][3][4] More broadly, the novel examines the role of truth and facts within societies and the ways in which they can be manipulated.

        The story takes place in an imagined future in an unknown year believed to be 1984, when much of the world is in perpetual war. Great Britain, now known as Airstrip One, has become a province of the totalitarian superstate Oceania, which is led by Big Brother, a dictatorial leader supported by an intense cult of personality manufactured by the Party’s Thought Police. Through the Ministry of Truth, the Party engages in omnipresent government surveillance, historical negationism, and constant propaganda to persecute individuality and independent thinking.[5]

        The protagonist, Winston Smith, is a diligent mid-level worker at the Ministry of Truth who secretly hates the Party and dreams of rebellion. Smith keeps a forbidden diary. He begins a relationship with a colleague, Julia and they learn about a shadowy resistance group called the Brotherhood. However, their contact within the Brotherhood turns out to be a Party agent, and Smith is arrested. He is subjected to months of psychological manipulation and torture by the Ministry of Love and is released once he has come to love Big Brother.

        Nineteen Eighty-Four has become a classic literary example of political and dystopian fiction. It also popularised the term “Orwellian” as an adjective, with many terms used in the novel entering common usage, including “Big Brother”, “doublethink”, “Thought Police”, “thoughtcrime”, “Newspeak”, and “2 + 2 = 5”.

        If there is little individuality, it takes much less energy to operate the economy. Children will all behave in class because they know that is the way it has to be. There will not need to be two teachers in a class. In fact, one teacher may be able to teach a large class (for example, 60 eight-year olds).

        In my opinion, China and Japan have both limited individuality, related to low energy. The US has always felt it had enough energy to allow people much freedom. Now this is going away.

  11. Postkey says:

    “The problem with both visions of the future – and the spectrum of views between them – is a fundamental misunderstanding of the collapse which has begun to break over us.  This is that each assumes the continuation of that part of industrial civilisation which is required to make their version of the future possible, even as the coming collapse wipes away ALL aspects of industrial civilisation.  Most obviously, nobody had developed even an embryonic version of the renewable energy supply chain which is the essential first step to turning non-renewable renewable energy-harvesting technologies (NRREHTs) into the envisioned “renewables” upon which the promised techno-psychotic future is to be built.  That is, until it is possible to mine the minerals, build the components, manufacture and transport the technologies without the use of fossil fuels at any stage in the process, then there is no such thing as “renewable energy” in the sense which the term is currently promoted. “
    https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2023/07/19/our-predicament-re-stated/?fbclid=IwAR3VlY4z4EV1kM6nTSv2FjmBAmvCEGjqqhiwuc1zQtSn3sIcGDGdqiNaN0Q

    • Jan says:

      My understanding: There wont be any energy harvesting possible or even necessary after the end of fossile fuels.

      Wind and solar is perfect to extend fossile fuels a but there is currently no way to produce glass, steel and copperwires without fossiles – locally, if we cannot keep up supply changes.

      Nature provides a lot of resources but in changing amounts and in an ever changing environment.

      In Europe man lived in a steppe, hunting large animals like mammuts, when climate change let forests grow and man had to adapt to hunt deer and rabits; human tools had to get adapted for it. This process can be shown in archeology.

      Later Europeans were able to use the forests as an instrument to mitigate temperature and humidity in a way to make crops grow, that originates from the Middle East. Rich soil from the Ice Age was helpful.

      This was a solution and is misinterpretated as development, today.

      With the upcoming of metals and metal tools man could create an agrarian surplus, that paid knights to protect the metal trade and led to the Middle Ages.

      With fossiles it became possible to separate food production and living and working space. Carrying capacity jumped up to 8 bio.

      The end of fossiles creates another moment man has to react to. While most people want to comply and believe if they get jabbed or if they pay contributions to Al Gore fossiles will not end, this is not what is needed.

      There are huge areas of arable land, that for sure could be extended by several methods. Man must move to these areas and work them in sustainable ways. A lot of questions for such a work are open and need research. If man did so, the highest possible carrying capacity could be kept upright, which allowed a maximum of world population to survive.

      Take-for-granted achievments, that we consider the product of our development and the adulthood of man, are in fact not. We will have to fall back to our childhood to take up responsibility. Modern knowledge will not survive – only, with much toil, as a hopefully someday revivable faint memory.

      If man does not create his own paradise garden, the carrying capacity will shrink dramatically as the new structures needed will not be available in time. They cannot be build up now, partly because the current system wouldn’t allow them to, partly because people don’t want them, partly because people deny their necessity, partly they don’t fit into the capitalist structure. They are also hard to build up after a crash as they need investment of some years to work properly. What to eat in the meantime? It depends very much on how fast our complex systems will fall to levels of lower complexity, when tipping points are hit.

      This will lead to a bottleneck with the majority to die. In some areas little groups of people with knowledge and in a suitable environment will survive, develop necessary skills and expand again to the carrying capacity. Provided that nuclear fuel rods and glyphosate don’t make their habitat inlivable. Also that is a decision of our generation.

      Note that the carrying capacity changes with decisions of man!

      • Dennis L. says:

        Personal observation:
        I have on a couple of occasions changed the direction of my life, it takes a minimum of ten years and more likely close to twenty years of insanely hard work. If you don’t have self doubt on occasion you are naive.

        My life changed when I roomed with a former MI football player in the basement of two divorcees; career change, stuff happens.

        Life is going to change, but it does that all the time. Want a really bad day, be invited to vacation on a French beach in say the middle 1940’s. You even get a free boat ride with a nice door that drops on to the beach so you can walk off the boat – it is the damn machine gun bullets that ruin the stroll. That guy would probably look at today’s problems and yawn.

        It is being done all the time, it has been done many times in history. You can be so pure, so perfect life should be perfect and some clown nails you to a cross, bummer. Now that is a bad day unless you can rise again, go to the fellow with the hammer and say, “Is that all you have?”

        It isn’t easy, the universe is a 80/20 game, find the 20.

        Dennis L.

        • all of recent history leads us to here

          there is very little that can be detached from it

          Hit ler declared war on the rest of Europe, but that event (plus the Jap one) kicked off the oil-spend which morphed into the ”American dream” of 1950/70

          that is now clearly over, so ”extreme right” is now rising again, demanding prosperity, just as hit ler did in the 1930s (MAGA uses the same language.)

          we might think of it as a different era–but they are closely linked.

          • Dennis L. says:

            Norman,

            What lead to Hiroshima? There was no history either of invention nor of use. Two booms and game over, history was changed; this is especially true for the families and men who didn’t have to invade the islands. In an instant those who were scheduled to die rather soon lived another day.

            We read the fabric of the universe as history, what we see has already happened due to the speed of light, we don’t have the current history as it hasn’t reached us yet.

            Dennis L.

            • Dennis

              as ive said before, every great invention stands on the shoulders of someone else

              theindustry of the 20thc made the bomb possible—it couldnt have been done with the industry of the 18th/19thc

              that created the necessary wealth to develop it

              The politics of the 30s made the bomb possible, as well as the science of the previous 50 years or so

              it isnt possible to think up an a bomb, the fly to japan and drop it next week

    • The way Tim Watkins ends his article is interesting:

      With all of this said, two problems remain. The first is that we have a tendency to conflate inevitability with imminence. In 2008, commentators at the doomier end of things announced that the big collapse was upon us and it would surely be just a matter of months before we were reduced to eating grass and throwing spears at one another. Few saw either quantitative easing or fracking coming to provide the system with another decade or so of anaemic stability. . .

      The second problem is our inability to discern the fine detail. While we can understand the broad sweep of economic, energetic, and environmental decline, second-guessing the ways in which the various actors will respond is at least extremely difficult. . . .

      All we can say with some certainty is that tipping points are being crossed, and that the scope for us to respond meaningfully is fast shrinking to zero. We will still respond, of course.

      I am doubtful about the last paragraph. I don’t think we ever had much of a way of responding. More fantasy solutions funded with more debt is really what has kept the economy going. We have kept the debt bubble from popping. Perhaps that is the way we respond.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Non sarcastic question. Why does Elon keep building Starships? It is reported his smaller ships have a monopoly on launches; he must know something.

        Dennis L.

        • Building Starships is what investors expect. It gives hope to those going to universities. It keeps the world debt bubble going. Governments keep printing money.

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    DM https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/49704

    Can you imagine this happening in 1950? It’s as if we live on another planet

  13. Fast Eddy says:

    Yep everything is fake https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/49691

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/227 48 min cancer up 35% in UK

    • Xabier says:

      The increase in psychiatric problems is notable too.

      One of the established AE’s from the Covid vaxxes (that’s official data, Norman, from the MHRA and the Gov).

      • Dennis L. says:

        Yeah, that seems to be happening; it may also be all the “pills” designed to cure your problems. Calhoun’s mice experiment is also relevant I expect.

  15. Fast Eddy says:

    Are the Central Banks secretly bailing out private health and life insurers?

    https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/227

  16. Fast Eddy says:

    Disabilities are accelerating … https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/227 37min mark

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    Shocking Data – Ed Dowd https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/227

    keith feel free to take a nap while we watch this

  18. moss says:

    In Beijing Wednesday, Wang Yi, director of the Office of the Foreign Affairs Commission of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee met at his office “visiting” Henry Kissinger who’d been flown over to utter blandishments.

    “Wang Yi called on the US government to change its current China policy which is now characterized as containment and suppression.
    “The Chinese official (Wang Yi) also expressed hope that US’ China policy will have Kissinger-style wisdom and Nixon-style political courage, which was seen by experts as a clear message Beijing delivered to Washington given that US’ China policy, under the toxic environment of its domestic politics, has deviated from a rational and sound track, creating growing obstacles for the bilateral relations.”
    globaltimes.cn/page/202307/1294689.shtml

    Can someone remind me please the succession of top shelf Chinese officials visiting the they who sanctioned evil countries?

  19. Fast Eddy says:

    The Thought Leaders and their Acolytes on SS … insist that all countries – MSM – DOD – medical boards – basically anyone who could oppose the Rat Juice — have gone Pol Pot on us… yep – suddenly they turned Dr Evil and decided to inject babies with Rat Juice…

    When one suggests that maybe they did not turn Pol Pot rather they are doing this out of necessity — they recoil … they reject the possibility that Fauci is a hero.

    Ok great. Then we turn to if Pol Pot is intent on killing you … what do you do about it?

    They do nothing. Absolutely nothing. They can’t even be bothered any longer to march around the block banging on pans and shouting FREEDOM!!!!

    The Elders and their minions have done a stellar job with UEP. They have gaslighted the f789 out of the MORE-ONS … even if they wanted to lash out they have no clue who to strike… oh right the DOD is behind this — ah – that means the US military is behind this …. does one show up at the Pentagon gate with a pitchfork? Best of luck with that.

    We will go to very quietly – and politely into the night.

  20. Tim Groves says:

    It was brought to my attention recently that the symptoms of anthrax poisoning/infection can resemble those often cited as COVID-19 infection symptoms.

    Don’t ask for details, check the health websites or your favorite chatbot if you don’t believe me.

    And even more recently, Mathew Crawford has published a piece in which he notes that cadmium poisoning can also cause similar symptoms, which leads him to speculate that “supply chain poisoning” of some kind or some other pollution might possibly have led some people to have gotten sick and it has been misattributed to COVID-19. Well, especially in the US these days, but in many other places, it is getting harder and harder to trust all the links in the supply chain to keep everything clean.

    Worth a read I reckon:

    https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/could-supply-chain-poisoning-cause

    • Jan says:

      That is a desaster, Eddy! I know it is highly speculative, but we have five German professors of chemistey proceeding against the republic, because the official declaration of ingredients for the jabs do in no case match the official description of its color. EMA and PEI have already testified that they have never taken any samples but have relied on Pfizer to send some in. If the color does not fit, there could have been anything in the jabs!

      Covid has obviously occurred also in areas without subway. So as a deployment method of cadmium we could also assume water, food, pollution, common medicaments… If people believed in this, it would sooner or later lead to the implosion of states. I doubt, that Nestlé and Amazon could replace them. No fact checking incentive could ever repair that. Devastating!

    • Xabier says:

      Thanks, Tim.

      Now I see in the comments there that the UK govt has admitted (BBC Norman, it’s a trusted BBC article!) that in the 1960’s the city of Norwich was sprayed with cadmium by scientists and spooks (and demons too? Why not?!) who sought to ‘investigate the effect of chemical warfare on urban areas,’

      This region is still known for an unnaturally high level of certain cancers consistent with cadmium exposure: but a govt minister assures us poor experimental animals that ‘she has been informed’ that nothing nasty could have transpired as a result of the experiment, so goodbye.

      ‘Tis but one small step, not even a skip and a jump, from secretly poisoning your own people leading to delayed illness and death to killing them even faster – for the highest reason of ‘national security’ – is it not?

      • xabier

        when you come up with your latest fixation of hysteria—–If i feel so inclined, i have a little dig around, as much to satisfy my own curiousity as anything else.

        i hadnt heard of the cadmium spraying thing

        so it took just one click to find out about it

        From the Academy of Medical Sciences
        ////////Zinc Cadmium Sulphide Dispersion Trials
        Report by the Academy of Medical Sciences to the Chief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Defence on the Zinc Cadmium Sulphide dispersion trials undertaken in the United Kingdom between 1953 and 1964.
        December 1999///////

        https://acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/34958-ZincCadm.pdf

        Do read it up—and calm down. It’s all there, in detail—now i know you’re going to scream ”fake news”—well—i can’t help that. But it happens so often, I dismiss practically everything you write, (along with your mentor’s ramblings)

        as i’ve said on numerous occasions, when you post something of this nature, and i dig around—

        there’s nothing there.—just repetition of someone else’s hysteria.

      • Tim Groves says:

        The Japanese went through several traumatic industrial poisoning “plagues” peaking in the early post-WW2 decades but beginning much earlier, one of which was Itai-itai disease. Cadmium in the water and food supply due to mining build up slowly and causes some miserable symptoms including “melting bones”. This is different from the symptoms that single larger dose odd cadmium could elicit.

        I think this is non-controversial enough to trust to Wikipedia, from which the following is clipped.

        Itai-Itai disease (イタイイタイ病, itai-itai byō, “it hurts-it hurts disease”)[Or, if you prefer: “ouch-ouch disease”—Tim] was the name given to the mass cadmium poisoning of Toyama Prefecture, Japan, starting around 1912. The term “itai-itai disease” was coined by locals for the severe pains (Japanese: 痛い itai) people with the condition felt in the spine and joints.

        Itai-itai disease was caused by cadmium poisoning due to mining in Toyama Prefecture. Regular mining for silver started in 1589, and soon thereafter, mining for lead, copper, and zinc began. The earliest records of mining for gold in the area date back to 1710. Cadmium is a metal byproduct of mining that is toxic to most organisms.

        Recent animal studies have shown that cadmium poisoning alone is not enough to elicit all of the symptoms of itai-itai disease. These studies are pointing to damage of the mitochondria of kidney cells by cadmium as a key factor of the disease.

        Medical tests started in the 1940s and 1950s, searching for the cause of the disease. Initially, it was expected to be lead poisoning due to the lead mining upstream. Only in 1955 did Dr. Hagino and his colleagues suspect cadmium as the cause of the disease. Toyama Prefecture also started an investigation in 1961, determining that the Mitsui Mining and Smelting’s Kamioka Mining Station caused the cadmium pollution and that the worst-affected areas were 30 kilometres (19 mi) downstream of the mine. In 1968, the Ministry of Health and Welfare issued a statement about the symptoms of itai-itai disease caused by the cadmium poisoning.

        The reduction of the levels of cadmium in the water supply reduced the number of new cases; no new case has been recorded since 1946. While the people with the worst symptoms came from Toyama prefecture, the government found patients with itai-itai disease in five other prefectures.

        After the first reports of Itai-Itai in 1912, it took 55 years for the epidemiological investigation to discover that the disease was due to cadmium poisoning. Delayed bureaucratic response was a common thread in the Four Big Pollution Diseases of Japan.

        The mines are still in operation and cadmium pollution levels remain high, although improved nutrition and medical care has reduced the occurrence of itai-itai disease.

      • All is Dust says:

        Yep, this feeds into what we know about the replication fidelity of RNA viruses – i.e. they do a poor job of copying themselves so don’t remain infectious for very long. Therefore, it it not surprising that Covid-19 symptoms could be something else. I still find it remarkable that people believe a coronavirus can “pandemic”. If it wasn’t for the TV, how many would believe SARS-CoV-2 was a threat to them and their loved ones?

    • to calm xabier’s hysteria, and presumably your own. i checked out the cadmium thing

      Zinc Cadmium Sulphide Dispersion Trials
      Report by the Academy of Medical Sciences to the Chief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Defence on the Zinc Cadmium Sulphide dispersion trials undertaken in the United Kingdom between 1953 and 1964.
      December 1999

      https://acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/34958-ZincCadm.pdf

      • Tim Groves says:

        Thanks, Norman. I will take my thumb out of my mouth now.

        • Don’t worry Tim—as you said–it’s just ”summer”

          ///////Professor Sir Bob Watson is currently Emeritus Professor of the UK’s Tyndall Centre for Climate Research – having previously worked at the UN, Nasa, UK’s Department of Environment and the US White House – and is perhaps one of the foremost climate scientists in the world.

          In the interview aired on Thursday he said: “I think most people fear that if we give up on the 1.5 [celsius limit] which I do not believe we will achieve, in fact I’m very pessimistic about achieving even 2C, that if we allow the target to become looser and looser, higher and higher, governments will do even less in the future.”

          Although his comments are candid on the state of action on climate change, many of his colleagues will agree with his conclusion that we are on course for a temperature rise of 2.5C or more. Based on current government commitments to cutting greenhouse gas emissions Climate Action Tracker predicts that global temperatures will rise to 2.7C .////////

          • There is nothing we can do, unfortunately. We have to eat and we have to drink water. The self-organizing system figures out for us how the economy will work.

            Killing off large swaths of the world’s population might, in theory, work, to reduce the stress on the environment, but this is not the solution that the affected population would necessarily endorse.

            “Using less per person” is not a viable option; the infrastructure requires more and more upkeep, and thus requires an increasing share of the resources that are extracted. Moving the economy toward all electric makes the maintaining the infrastructure (now including ever-more transmission lines, and ever-more replacement batteries, wind turbines, and solar panels) even more impossible than it otherwise would be. All of the used materials become pollution problems; recycling is impossible without a huge amount of very cheap fossil fuels. Even then, recycling is very iffy.

            The world economy cannot use less energy per capita, any more than humans can reduce their food consumption below 2000 calories per person, unless the nature of the economy changes materially. If humans go back to hunter-gathering, and burning only available biomass for heat energy to cook food, population will be much lower at the same time energy consumption per capita is very much lower. There won’t be any electric vehicles, or roads for electric vehicles, or charging stations for electric vehicles.

            • Sam says:

              I think I read somewhere that we used more energy during lockdown? Is that possible?

            • In total, we didn’t use more energy during lockdown. There might be some small pieces that used more energy. People tended to stay at home more; they used more heat for their homes in winter and more air conditioning for their homes in summer.

              But they traveled a lot less. Oil prices especially fell. Oil consumption, especially for air travel, fell. Workers in far away lands found their life work disappearing: fewer fancy dresses were needed; fewer vacation travelers came; fewer goods for conventions, weddings, and parties of all kinds were needed. Food wastage was down because commercial users tend to waste a lot of food; this might have been the source of another energy savings.

            • Ed says:

              Excellent summary Gail.

      • Zemi says:

        You’re a nice sensible boy, Pagett. The authorities depend on people like you. But have you ever heard the phrase, “Well, they would say that – wouldn’t they?!”

        “DENY EVERYTHING!”

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    The inflation rate in services in the 20 countries that use the euro spiked to 5.4% in June, compared to a year ago, up from 5.0% in May, a new record in the data going back to 1997, according to Eurostat today, confirming preliminary estimates earlier this month.

    “Core” CPI – without food and energy rose to 5.5%, up from the preliminary estimate for June of 5.4%, and up from 5.3% in May, according to Eurostat. Energy prices have plunged, and food prices, which had spiked horribly, are backing off. But underlying inflation – as measured by core CPI and services CPI – has turned into a stubborn headache.

    Services CPI is huge. When inflation gets entrenched in services, it’s hard to dislodge. The majority of consumer spending goes into services: Healthcare, education, housing, insurance, streaming, subscriptions, air fares, lodging, restaurant meals, repairs, cleaning, financial services, haircuts, etc.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2023/07/19/after-two-months-of-relentless-inflation-has-peaked-lingo-in-the-eurozone-services-inflation-spikes-to-record-core-cpi-worsens/

    • Good point! The wealthy are the ones who disproportionately use services. It seem to be easier to embed inflation in services than in commodities. There are too many poor voters who become upset by high commodity prices, including food and oil.

  22. Tim Groves says:

    Today’s Substack post by Katherine Watt is one of those articles that should be read more than once, widely shared, saved and perhaps even printed out, framed and mounted on the wall.

    Not only is she a savant, she is one of the few savants I know who is not an idiot. (Gail is another, of course.)

    Here it is in case you’ve not seen it: https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/stay-as-out-of-date-as-possible-on

    • The problem is the huge number of people who assume anything that we are told by medical authorities must aid our health.

      • Xabier says:

        Just as people once trusted priests?

        But that really would not be quite true, as when the Church was rich and powerful, people understood its corruption very well indeed, as countless old stories and jokes testify.

        More accurate to suggest that they now trust ‘medical professionals’ (TM) as believers once placed faith in the saints, the Virgin Mary and God rather than he local bishop.

        Many academics in the ‘health’ (?) field are like the theologians who used to support, unanimously, torturing and burning heretics……

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    BREAKING!!!

    I have some terrible news for the Vaxxers… you know the nano lipid particles???

    See https://youtu.be/NUhjlb96mA8?t=125

  24. Ed says:

    /pure spec
    US arms Poland with tanks and F16 and supports with electronic warfare planes for targeting. Poland marches into Ukraine. On September 1.
    /spec off

    • Kowalainen says:

      A bit late perhaps? Shouldn’t Operation Barbarossa 2.0 start earlier than June 22? After all; Russkie winter is coming. ⛄️ ❄️ 🥶
      All the previous attempts went just hunky dory.
      What could possibly go wr…?

      Never mind. Let’s YOLO this sucker!1!1!!!1!!

      🤣👍👍

    • again

      the mirror of history

      looking likely

    • Foolish Fitz says:

      They might want to hurry that up.
      Russia is moving things up a gear or two and I’m looking forward to watching the F16s go the way of the Leopard.

      Lots going on in the north, big troop movements, they’ve announced any ships heading to Ukraine will be assumed as carrying arms, so treated accordingly and Odesa is taking a pounding.

      Thoughtful, as is their way, an amusing reminder was thrown in for free.

      “On the monitors of the controllers, dozens of aerial targets appeared flying from Crimea to Odessa.”

      https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/i-cheiroteri-epithesi-mechri-tora-flegetai-i-odissos-protofanis-entasis-mazikoi-vomvardismoi-gemise-pyravlous-i-othoni-ton-oukranon-elegkton-aeramynas/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB

      At this rate, someone soon, may well declare war, so raise your glasses.

      https://youtu.be/k0bjykX3D30

      • Fast Eddy says:

        What if …

        Instead of having an NFL season with humans… just go with CGI … and make every match super exciting … driving up ratings… and making the owners more money.

        Kinda like what they are doing with the UKEY war

    • Tim Groves says:

      I got an advance copy of the UK PM’s address to the nation. But please, please don’t share it with anyone outside this forum!!

      Radio Address by Rishi Sunak, Prime Minister, September 3, 2023.

      I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10, Downing Street.

      This morning the British Ambassador in Moscow handed the Russian Government a final Note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 0’clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Russia.

      You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more or anything different that I could have done and that would have been more successful.

      Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to have arranged a peaceful and honourable settlement between Russia and Poland. But Putin would not have it. He had evidently made up his mind to attack Poland whatever happened, and although he now says he put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by the Poles, that is not a true statement.

      The proposals were never shown to the Poles, nor to us, and, though they were announced in a Russian broadcast on Thursday night, Putin did not wait to hear comments on them, but ordered his troops to cross the Polish frontier. His action shows convincingly that there is no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force to gain his will. He can only be stopped by force.

      We and France are to-day, in fulfillment of our obligations, going to the aid of Poland, who is so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack upon her people. We have a clear conscience. We have done all that any country could do to establish peace, but a situation in which no word given by Russia’s ruler could be trusted and no people or country could feel themselves safe had become intolerable. And now that we have resolved to finish it, I know that you will all play your part with calmness and courage.

      As such a moment as this the assurances of support that we have received from the G7 are a source of profound encouragement to us.

      …Now may your favorite deity bless you all and may He/She/They/It defend the right. For it is evil things that we shall be fighting against, brute force, bad faith, injustice, oppression and persecution. And against them I am certain that the right will prevail.

  25. Mirror on the wall says:

    The odd ‘expert’ in the west is beginning to voice the assessment that NATO is headed for a ‘massive defeat’ against Russia.

    Anyone could have told them that.

    NATO does not stand a chance in the attrition war against Russia in UKR – and it never did. That was always obvious from the get go.

    But, the ‘experts’ were saying in 2021 that USA was ‘doing alright’ in AFG even as province after province fell to Taliban – and everyone apart from the ‘experts’ could see exactly what was about to happen.

    Will we see Zelensky flying out of Kiev clinging to the legs of a helicopter? Probably not but everyone can see what way this conflict is going.

    Yet another total debacle for NATO, and no one apart from the ‘experts’ is the least bit surprised about that.

    This flop show will geopolitically cost USA very heavily, much worse than AFG. We could have told them all of that on day 1, and in fact we did.

    It is a struggle to see a future for the west at this rate. The ‘leaders’ are fools and the ‘experts’ are total idiots.

    ‘Defeat For West If…’: Big Claim By UK Expert As Ukraine’s Defences Tumbledown Against Russia

    Ukraine’s “weak” offensive performance has become a big headache for the West. Experts across NATO and EU states have been analysing their future course of action. A UK-based expert fears Kyiv’s failure in the counteroffensive may lead to the West’s “devastating defeat.” Ukraine’s offensive is in its second month but has failed to show any results. Russia’s air superiority and minefields have crippled Ukraine’s mission on the ground. Moscow has erected an impregnable defence line across its “new territories.” Watch this report for more.

    • drb753 says:

      Sometimes you can clearly see that globalism prioritizes internal war over external war. They have to keep control in the core after all while depopulating it. The link below is inconsistent with a state being at war.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-dod-lets-transgender-service-members-skip-deployments-receive-indefinite-physical

      • Student says:

        In fact, this indeed represents for me the greatest current contradiction of the West.
        One cannot prepare the war or be at war, promoting, at the same time, the destruction of the male figure.
        Because, if in the past one could have seen maybe a Julius Caesar or an Alexander the Great having perhaps sex with another man; there would have never been a situation like meeting Julius Caesar walking with high heels and a fake breast, being proud in public of that. Or, also, wanting to give birth to a child although being a man…
        We are going back to a situation of ‘great simplification’ , as Nate Hagens often says, so – whether we like it or not – societies exalting the role of the traditional male warrior are, in my view, the ones which will have more chances to survive.
        And a society can also have a female warrior, but not the destructions of traditional sex roles in the society.
        Of course, I would like to live in peace, but it is, at the moment, an even greater dream than it was in the past decades.

        • Ed says:

          It is 5th gen war against the west. Going to war and belittling men is destructive of the west as you say. That is the goal of the bought politicians, judges, lawyer, media, stars, etc.

          How they think they will escape at the end is the mystery I do not understand.

          • Xabier says:

            If you have been powerful, rich, etc, for long enough you will believe yourself to be insulated against all eventualities. It’s irrational, but so it is.

        • drb753 says:

          Agree on all counts.

    • Attacking Russia’s bridge was not a good idea. Russia is now angry, besides winning.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        OMG they attacked a bridge??? This is a really crazy and massive war… more bombs dropped in 18 months that in over a decade in Vietnam.

        • Ed says:

          It is not a war it is a special military operation. IT may soon be a war and it will be clear and obvious.

          When they tell everyone to leave Kiev because it is going to be burned to the ground and they follow up and burn it to the ground. Then you will know it is a war.

  26. I AM THE MOB says:

    F*** around and find out Putin!

    https://twitter.com/USNavy/status/1406634723066187777

  27. ivanislav says:

    A few nice clips of foreign fighters describing their experience
    https://youtu.be/9J_wBx-FBcc
    https://youtu.be/TCbD4WBqPg4

    • The blurb under the first clip says,

      “Sky’s international correspondent John Sparks has been speaking to foreign volunteer, Rhys Byrn, an Irish soldier who has been fighting on the frontline in the east of Ukraine.

      He says the battle to reclaim territory has been horrific. “On ‘zero line’ it’s horror. It’s horror. There is just a genocide. It’s slaughter.”

      The second video is almost an hour long. It was made 7 months ago, and has had 2.6 million views. The first screen warns about the soldierly language the interviewee uses in the video.

      • Bobby says:

        Just a deliberate kill box, what else was expected and why do people fall for it by entering?

        • Kowalainen says:

          What makes you think that tanks and other combat vehicles that are somewhat “modern” can’t be converted into drones? Of course it would be helpful if the vehicles had autoloaders, but that’s like complicated mechanisms and stuff.
          Come on man.
          Can’t be done.
          Let’s have another therapy session in Vilnius.

          Repeat after me:
          YOLO!
          Hypers gonna Hypers!
          MOARons gonna moar!
          Tryhards gonna try!
          Copers gonna copium!
          Hopers gonna hopiates!
          All retch and no vomit!
          In perpetuity!
          Amen!

          https://youtu.be/8LsBbQOL0JY

          🤔💭

        • drb753 says:

          Just one of the many facets of darwinism. people fall for all sorts of things. Believe it or not billions fell for getting injected with genetic material two short years ago. Stupid genes tend to disappear.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            duncan? What is it you said to us 2 years ago???

            We are still here duncan… and we are as healthy as ever

        • Zemi says:

          Back in 1940, Germany conquered France in six weeks. Why are the Russians such pussies? They’ve been at it for 18 months now.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Something just seems a bit … off… you’ve got Russia armed to the teeth – a highly trained army … vs Neo Nazi football hooligans who don’t know how to operate a chopper or a tank properly …

            And they hold the fort for going on two years!

            You’d think Russia would just knock out all their dams… or maybe cut off the gas to Europe every M W F… hahaha

            Nah .. I guess the Russians love war.

            But who am I to challenge what bbccnn says the truth is — they are purveyors of truth – they would never lie

          • they’re exhausting nato extremely effectively… obviously

      • Fast Eddy says:

        hahaha looks like a grade d hollywood production

  28. Student says:

    (Jerusalem Post)

    No cross in the Country of Jesus.
    It is paradoxical that it is not possible to wear a cross for a Catholic Abbot in the place where Jesus was crucifixed.
    In my view, it is a mistake to let Jerusalem be considered only an exclusive place for Israel, as it is a sacred place for Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Muslims.
    It is different, in my view, in comparison to Mecca which is an holy place only for Muslims.
    That should be in particular significative for old Jerusalem.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-751637

    • Under Flowerpot says:

      Since (if?) the temple mount is where Abraham’s vanity was tested, there is a boatload of irony on everyone’s claim to it. Since (if?) not all qiblas face Mecca, iterative geographical sacredness creates its own questions. Something is afoot in Zionistan that is distasteful even to the privileged locals and sporting the cross ain’t going to help. However, the abbot could have worn Romans 2:9-10 in Hebrew and let a Pharisee rock the House.

      https://biblehub.com/romans/2-10.htm

      • Student says:

        If we go back in time and check who was the first owner or who can have correct rights on a sacred place we should ask, for instance, to Americans not to wear their religious symbols in the sacred land of Native Americans.
        But out of a comparison, I think that Israeli can do what they want and I’m nobody in this world to modify such huge subjects, but my impression is that this push of intolerance is not creating something good for the future of Israel itself.

    • If the Catholic Abbot dressed that way and went to Palestine, I imagine it would be OK.

      https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/palestinian-culture/palestinian-culture-religion

      “Palestinian Christians rarely face social discrimination from other Palestinians on the basis of their religious affiliation. They are generally accepted throughout society, with each group preferring to focus on their shared identity as Palestinians rather than their religious differences.”

  29. The basic problem is that Europe’s natural gas storage capacity is quite small. It only “works” if natural gas supplies continue at a fairly high level and the winter is not unusually colds. There is an available free IEA PDF report on this subject.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/iea-warns-winter-natgas-crisis-if-russia-cuts-supplies

    Natural gas stockpiles in Europe are plentiful, exceeding the five-year average for this time of year. The continent’s storage is poised to reach full capacity earlier than anticipated, providing governments and companies with reassurance that last year’s energy crisis may be unlikely to repeat. However, a new report cautions that the threat of a severe winter and potential interruptions in Russia’sNatGas supply to Europe still poses significant risks.

    “While market fundamentals have significantly eased since the start of 2023, and the European Union is well on track to fill up its storage sites to 95% of working capacity, full storage sites are no guarantee against winter volatility,” the International Energy Agency wrote in a report Monday.

  30. Mirror on the wall says:

    UKR ‘counteroffensive’ has failed with no gains and Russia seems to be taking a more offensive stance. UKR risks losing all of its gains last autumn in the NORTH, which would likely demoralise UKR.

    100,000 Russian troops and equipment gathering in the north.

    I was going to post a HT video but it is littered with UKR propaganda ministry quotes and entirely misleading, so I am not going to.

    [ video would be here ]

    • Xabier says:

      100,000 Russian troops gathering: 220 million mRNA vax shots amassing in Oxfordshire, UK – history is in the making! What stirring times!

      • oh—- is THAT what the vax factory on Oxfordshire is for

        I read the newspaper article 3 times—realising that from your position in high academe you would know more about it that lil old halfwitted me.
        I could find no reference to ”they” wanting to bump us all off.

        I knew I must be lacking somewhere—or perhaps not given to hysteria??

        being a bookish sort of person xabier—you will be well practised at reading between the lines.
        seeing stuff that ordinary mortals cannot.

        very useful information to know that its really an extermination plant for useless people

        will you go first—of shall I?

        • Xabier says:

          Rather a big chip on your shoulder, little Norman.

          I’d get it seen to by a ‘trusted medical professional’ – the murderers in the NHS for instance – they can be so helpful with the elderly these days, even ending pain and discomfort for ever, or I so I hear…

          • lol xabier

            you mither —on echoing your mentor,—but still dont point out the bit in the oxford mail where it says they are building a death factory for us surplus humans

            i recall 2 years ago you were telling me about millions of dead and maimed babies

            I’m sure someone would have noticed them by now—something about a ‘chip on my shoulder’?

            Could it that you were telling us porkies about the new vax factory—and the purpose of it? Making stuff up to support a fragile ego? denigrating others to the same end?
            Oh surely not?—not one who has leaned on the same bar as Stephen Hawking?

            So lets have details of this death factory.

            in the meantime—a fascinating character insight—i do enjoy learning.

            with a whole wit i could learn so much more.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I wonder what norm would think if he was half dead in the ICU and he heard the doctor say ‘give him the standard dose of Remdesivir and a shot of Midazolam to calm him’

            • Xabier says:

              Norm would be relieved, because he hasn’t a clue as to how these have been (ab) used – especially on the elderly – during the ‘pandemic’ , having closed his mind and limited himself to Trusted News sources for the last three years.

              Norm is Their perfect dupe. And for us a terrible warning.

              They’ll send him a medal next, specially minted.

              Actually, let’s ask the Pope to send him that commemorative silver Vaxx medal.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Here we go, HT has got together a vid on what is going on in the north of UKR.

      Tbf to HT, Russia is keeping stumm about its plans; and Russia felt no need to release a ridiculous ‘tight lips’ vid like UKR did before its long and much hyped ‘big counteroffensive’.

      It will be interesting to see what comes of this. The fact that Russia is basically silent about its intentions implies a seriousness to the matter.

      Putin’s Deadly Tornado-S Rockets and Drones ‘Blow Up’ Ukrainian Artillery In Kupyansk | Watch

      Russia says its troops are successfully breaking through Ukrainian defences in the east. Russia’s Ministry of Defence released a video of loitering munitions blowing up Ukrainian artillery. Russia also claims to have gained ground in Kupyansk in Ukraine’s east. MoD Russia also released a video of its Tornado-S multiple-launch rocket system destroying Ukrainian positions and fortifications. Watch this video for details.

      • Sam says:

        Who cares? If Russia wins they have still lost. How are they going to afford the infrastructure? Ann’s constant attacks by partisans? They have lost too! It needed to be a quick victory and it wasn’t. They have failed just like the U.S did in Iraq and Afghanistan etc….

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          it’s affordable if they have the FF energy resources, which they do.

          they annexed 5 oblasts and will take more if they want to, and will continue the ongoing rebuilding of them for the Russian speaking people who live there.

          I was wrong about a shortish one month war, but now I see how effective a war of attrition has been for demilitarizing not just Ukraine but NATZO also.

          Vlad the Great knows much more about what they should be doing than you do.

          and it’s looodicrous to compare this ongoing successful SMO to the ways of psychowoketard leaders in the West and their folllies in Iraq and Afg.

  31. List of the Great Books of Western World, 2nd edition

    https://www.mpc.edu/academics/academic-divisions/humanities-division/programs-centers/about-the-great-books-program/great-books-list

    it includes two Asian authors, Galen (born in what is now Turkey) and Nicomachus of Gerasa(in what is now Syria), and three African authors, Ptolemy (from what is now Egypt), Plotinus (from the Roman province of Egyptus) and Augustine (born in what is Algeria).

    Tim mentioned Niklas Koppernigk of Royal Prussia, who was indeed born east of the Elbe, so I will take him. (He never spoke a word of Polish in his entire life even though the poles try to claim him as their own)

    after that, other than Kant and the two Russian authors Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, every one of the authors were born west of the Elbe. None of the American authors mentioned had origins from east of the Elbe.

    In 20th century, only Chekhov, Max Planck (born in Kiel, which is east of the Elbe) and Dobzhansky (a biologist born in what is Vinnitsa, Ukraine) were born east of the Elbe.

    “Africa” and “Asia” before the Islamic conquest could be called as part of the West by the standards of the time, so the only “Asian” authors in the Great Books of the Western World are

    Niklas Koppernigk – from German culture
    Immanual Kant – from German culture
    Max Planck – from German culture

    the three famous Russian authors

    Theodosius Dobzhansky – given his unusual name which sounds like some unknown Catholic saint (who would be named after a Roman emperor), he appears to have Polish origin, although he grew up in Ukraine and did most of his work in USA

    So the only Russian contribution to Western civ is the Big Three of Russian Lit (and none after the Revolution) and the only Polish contribution came from someone who didn’t identify himself as a Pole.

    And they would be easily replaceable by similar equivalents west of the Elbe.

  32. Dennis L. says:

    The internet is becoming sentient.

    I am in the process of re educating an old man, I am not sure how this advertisement appeared, but it is something like what I have in mind and it is a chassis to copy.

    Open source is going to change many things, MS and Zukerberg are leading the movement, who would have thought?

    https://www.bing.com/shop?entryPoint=msn&msnrid=2154aeca3a464f2ea48b80efeab17a0e&adunitId=378983&propertyId=316966&overlayTitle=DareDevil+Mower+45%C2%B0+Slope+%7C+Kohler+9.5hp+Engine+%7C+Gas-Electric+Hybrid+%7C+Electric+Remote+Controlled+%7C&overlayOfferIds=72508877807%2C139405802905%2C142764706102%2C140069484583%2C119529019659%2C138286710923%2C136716427055%2C139629921518%2C86133133928%2C129665125332%2C130871938306%2C145513360475%2C77875043549%2C30713779675%2C90603941868%2C30713779895%2C5856547488%2C13963216950%2C81710577312%2C97232825470%2C87568536150%2C136716440529%2C67818144906%2C132402667242&overlayOfferImgIds=OP.c2WjUS7ME3pjXQ474C474%2COP.AaR0HoWKuwjeMw474C474%2COP.3%2F%2Fl%2FiXxISRVGg474C474%2COP.pPVhOdHSl9FZZA474C474%2COP.p%2FMiWywvamxLZQ474C474%2COP.RoW3BT75mJrzJA474C474%2COP.2P1IfuvPzYLHsQ474C474%2COP.rwWkKQxStb53gg474C474%2COP.APnMbZnUChM6zQ474C474%2COP.%2BKlWSvT3yR%2Bpeg474C474%2COP.bhcwCVicPFrLag474C474%2COP.CJ5MIwxC5y2A4g474C474%2COP.ZY%2BqEMlAObxsAg474C474%2COP.OlveFCWmqz%2BOAQ474C474%2COP.lArcouPGB%2F5G%2FA474C474%2COP.WVqyjz1OW0Cgfw474C474%2COP.ixUm6hftmv4eyg474C474%2COP.6WoCr%2BM15PhHMg474C474%2COP.v1%2B%2F7fQT0M742A474C474%2COP.3HOi2qpAYhRvmA474C474%2COP.eelukNacXrlMrA474C474%2COP.S0i%2B2%2F7RTvzHhg474C474%2COP.Xxc%2Ff%2FsTT4%2BwLg474C474%2COP.QeyBAaMOvJVknw474C474&FORM=CARPDP&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2154aeca3a464f2ea48b80efeab17a0e&ei=20&redirected=L2ToShop&overlayId=119529019659

    Basically it is like my skidsteers, remote control, auto steer is not that hard, I think; there is an opensource autosteer which looks promising. Now, go battery, use droppable packs, charge from sun and intermittency/transmission problems are solved in one case.

    Meanwhile, back to Starship, infinite energy per capita, and all pollution/junk to Jupiter. Sort of a chicken in every pot political platform and hope for everyone, we need hope, earth is our very special spaceship; it needs to be spiffed up.

    Sorry, last post today, eating breakfast and the link popped up.

    Dennis L.

    • I am not convinced that buying an expensive new lawn mower really gets the economy anywhere. For one thing, lawn mowing is an expensive service, somewhat akin to hair cutting. If energy supplies are short, this is one service that needs to disappear.

      For another, buying an expensive new lawn mower moves the funds a person spends to “capital goods,” while it reduces the “local labor” component. Capital goods purchases are notorious for sending funds overseas and to rentiers. Long supply lines are needed. A person becomes dependent on spare parts from around the world.

      Also, the fancy new lawn mower adds a lot of new problems, without getting the whole job done. First, there needs to be a place to store the lawn mower. It likely needs regular servicing, besides spare parts. It also needs fuel, which the owner needs to supply. Lawn maintenance requires a lot more than simply “lawn mowing.” It requires “edging,” “bush trimming,” “weed removal,” and “application of various chemicals” (to keep out fire ants and weeds, also to add fertilizer).

      I didn’t notice what happens to grass clippings. Often these are bagged and taken away (adding to fertilizer needs).

      Around here, there are a lot of small businesses selling lawn services. The service my husband and I use is owned/operated by a man from Mexico. These businesses are dependent on people hiring them, rather than purchasing fancy capital equipment themselves.

      • drb753 says:

        Surely if you buy an electrical mower with a 2 year warranty, 45,000 USD battery you will help the economy some! but think of the ruts this 2 ton thing will leave on your lawn!

      • a good lawnmower is one of the most useful permaculture tools IMO… but a scythe and other tools can do a similar job albeit slower

    • Hubbs says:

      I’m sorry but I am really going to light into this one. When I was a boy, my dad made me mow almost on acre of grass with a conventional manual horizontal rotary push lawnmower. I would have to push bent over with one hand on the T handle and the other down on the connecting shaft near blades. Although a lot of the kids even back then would complain about having to mow their lawns with gas powered walk behind lawn mowers. Now today, I never see any lawns being mowed with walk behind powered mowers, only riding mowers, usually by lawn service companies, even when mowing only 1/4 acre.

      Americans are lazy, fat, arrogant, entitled, grandiose, ignorant slobs who deserve to die. It is almost an effrontery to God having blessed us with arms, backs, and legs. I mean, how fucking lazy can we be? Don’t even want to actively drive our cars anymore. Try walking or even using a bicycle to carry your groceries.

      Even when I go to the YMCA the members now are so fat, and lazy they think they are exercising as they sit on the reclining cycling machines looking at their cell phones. They sit at an exercise station for twenty minutes looking at their cell phones before even thinking about doing another set. I admittedly am a hot head with a temper and so I don’t ask if they mind if I use the station, because I couldn’t control my anger.

      But they are trying to lose weight by exercising one might say. You can’t out exercise a lousy diet in 21st century US. Nature evolved so that an animal had barely enough to eat to survive to reproduce. Every calorie was precious and conserved. Especially for example with hibernating bears. If they didn’t put on enough fat during the summer and fall, they would not survive the winter. The efficiency of the dietary calorie is a miracle. But now the efficiency of fat storage in humans in western civilization has backfired.

      That is what happens when people have it too good. You make a mockery of nature and the natural order to of having to work to stay alive. Instead we just stuff our faces and allow ourselves to be indoctrinated and controlled by a parasitic, hypocritical , cowardly bunch of lawyers, politicians, and bankers as we sit behind our keyboards.

      A solar powered autonomous lawnmower. Really?

      Off to the Y now.

      • JesseJames says:

        Bravo Hubbs! Well said.

      • Fred says:

        “Americans are lazy, fat, arrogant, entitled, grandiose, ignorant slobs who deserve to die.”

        Well Sir, that’s a touch bellicose! What about Gail, do you include her in that statement?

      • disgusting racism

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Americans are lazy, fat, arrogant, entitled, grandiose, ignorant slobs who deserve to die.

        Bravo Bravo!!! I 100% agree.

        The fat f&*(s finish their “work out” then head home to stuff more garbage into the maw…

        And maddie should stab her mother in the face… I would Bravo the f789 out of the girl if she did that… 5 stars for maddie

        Oh but hunny we were only trying to do out part … for science.. it’s too bad you got all f789ed up like this… poor thing.

      • Xabier says:

        I mow with a kind of one-handed scythe, as I loathe the sound of motors and whirring blades and maintenance is easy.

        It also keeps me lean, sexy and pert-bottomed.

      • Xabier says:

        I find that chopping wood helps with such (well-merited) thoughts, Hubbs.

        Blows off the anger and disgust wonderfully, and leaves one looking like a prime specimen of real manliness into the bargain.

    • nikoB says:

      Sheep mow lawns brilliantly.

  33. Student says:

    (BYOBLU)

    THE FIRST STUDY ON DEATHS AND VACCINES COVID19 EXPLAINED BY ONE OF THE AUTHORS – PETER MCCULLOUGH
    73.9% of deaths related to jab

    ”Recently, the first study analyzing the correlation between deaths and Covid19 ‘vaccinations’ was produced in the United States. The authors of the research analyzed 325 cases of autopsies performed on subjects who died as a result of inoculations. Based on previous scientific literature highlighting the adverse effects of Covid vaccines, the researchers determined that 73.9 % OF THOSE DEATHS WERE DIRECTLY OR SIGNIFICANTLY CORRELATED with the administrations of the anti-Covid19 jabs.”

    deepl.com translated

    https://www.byoblu.com/2023/07/19/il-primo-studio-su-decessi-e-vaccini-covid19-spiegato-da-uno-degli-autori-peter-mccullough/

    • Student says:

      The study has been excluded by one important scientific magazine and it can be found now here:

      “A SYSTEMATIC REVIEW OF AUTOPSY FINDINGS IN DEATHS AFTER COVID-19 VACCINATION”
      Nicolas Hulscher, BS; Paul E. Alexander, PhD; Richard Amerling, MD; Heather Gessling, MD; Roger Hodkinson, MD; William Makis, MD
      Cross Cancer Institute; Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD; Mark Trozzi, MD; Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH

      https://zenodo.org/record/8120771

      • This is the Abstract:

        Background: The rapid development and widespread deployment of COVID-19 vaccines, combined with a high number of adverse event reports, have led to concerns over possible mechanisms of injury including systemic lipid nanoparticle (LNP) and mRNA distribution, spike protein-associated tissue damage, thrombogenicity, immune system dysfunction, and carcinogenicity. The aim of this systematic review is to investigate possible causal links between COVID-19 vaccine administration and death using autopsies and post-mortem analysis.

        Methods: We searched for all published autopsy and necropsy reports relating to COVID-19 vaccination up until May 18th, 2023. We initially identified 678 studies and, after screening for our inclusion criteria, included 44 papers that contained 325 autopsy cases and one necropsy case. Three physicians independently reviewed all deaths and determined whether COVID-19 vaccination was the direct cause or contributed significantly to death.

        Findings: The most implicated organ system in COVID-19 vaccine-associated death was the cardiovascular system (53%), followed by the hematological system (17%), the respiratory system (8%), and multiple organ systems (7%). Three or more organ systems were affected in 21 cases. The mean time from vaccination to death was 14.3 days. Most deaths occurred within a week from last vaccine administration. A total of 240 deaths (73.9%) were independently adjudicated as directly due to or significantly contributed to by COVID-19 vaccination.

        Interpretation: The consistency seen among cases in this review with known COVID-19 vaccine adverse events, their mechanisms, and related excess death, coupled with autopsy confirmation and physician-led death adjudication, suggests there is a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and death in most cases. Further urgent investigation is required for the purpose of clarifying our findings.

        • Xabier says:

          Thank you Gail.

          It should be noted that Peter Mc Cullough, for instance, is not a crazy alarmist as some here would conclude, but actually rather upset people a few weeks ago by not condemning mRNA technologies per se, saying they might possibly be of future use in various ways.

          But he is firmly of the opinion that the Covid vaxxes have proved to be highly dangerous, and that the ‘pandemic’ treatment protocols in the US and other places effectively turned hospitals into ‘death traps’.

          • hkeithhenson says:

            “Covid vaxxes have proved to be highly dangerous”

            In the US at least 200 million people have been vaccinated. If 240 people died, that’s not good, but does about one in a million meet your standard for “highly dangerous”?

            • Tim Groves says:

              Top of the morning/evening to you, Keith.

              If even one person takes a drug or a poison or a therapy or a bioweapon and drops dead as a result, I would conclude that the intervention was “highly dangerous” by any standard.

              If a drug or a poison or a therapy or a bioweapon is capable of killing or of seriously injuring its recipients, it must be classed as “highly dangerous”.

              Does that mean people shouldn’t take it? That’s debatable.

              Does that mean people shouldn’t be forced to take it or coerced into taking it? Definitely. That’s a no-brainer.

              If someone takes a “highly dangerous intervention and doesn’t suffer harm as a consequence, does that mean it was safe? Definitely not. It means they were damn lucky this time. But keep it up and that luck is bound to run out.

              Where did you get that 240 deaths from the clot shots figure?

              I personally know that many people who claim to have lost loved ones and not-so-loved ones to it. And some undertakers claim to have buried or cremated more clot-shot victims than that.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              240 have died – in one day .. right keith.

              hahahaha

              keep on boosting keith – and keep on believing in cnnbbc

              This … is MADNESS

              I do wonder how such people find there way onto OFW …

            • tim

              aneasthetics are dangerous

              people die through the effects of aneasthetic

              would you suggest that all surgery should be done without aneasthetic?

            • Ed says:

              200000 killed and 600000 maimed does count as highly dangerous.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              This is exactly why I celebrate when a Vaxxer dies or is maimed… Exactly.

              Zero compassion. They deserve it.

              The evidence is out there but they dismiss it … then they get f789ed up and beg me to donate munny for their care… these deserve nothing … other than to suffer.

            • Xabier says:

              Keith, 1 per million death rate was the historic limit for acceptable risk re old-style vaccines.

              The death rate from the Covid pseudo-vaxxes is betwen 1 on 500 to 2000, most probably 1 in 1000, and that’s only in the short term.

              VAERS data must be seen in the light of the URF, or under-reporting factor inherent in passive reporting systems Simple stuff to understand, Keith. And under-reporting gets even worse when docs know they might be sacked for telling the truth and filing a report.

              I take it that you, like Norman the Nescient, haven’t bothered to read the detailed analysis by Prof Norman Fenton which I recommended to you?

              And I tell you why not: it would disturb your complacency and naive trust in the authorities, so you simply won’t go there.

  34. ivanislav says:

    Nickel Hydrogen batteries. 30k cycles or ~30 years without maintenance. Nickel is somewhat abundant … neither aluminum nor platinum … BAU 2050? They have a big factory coming online in 2024.

    Dennis L was right!

    • Kowalainen says:

      Gotta review the mothballed coal mines in Appalachia. Them electrons won’t freely traverse from the positive terminal to the negative without help from a generator connected to a steam turbine.

      • ivanislav says:

        Not a problem. I will shackle kulmthestatusquo and his descendents to stationary bikes to charge them.

      • always chuckle when people believe a battery is an energy source

        • ivanislav says:

          It basically is … hear me out.

          Our problem right now is how to harness renewable energy and use it effectively in domains currently occupied by FF. If we had better batteries that dealt with intermittency, we could power our mining industry and continue extraction of the raw materials needed for a continued economy. The primary reason solar and wind isn’t playing a larger role is that we can’t store it efficiently.

          Yes, yes, problems would remain with waste streams and pollution and various processes (eg. ammonia production) currently performed with FF, but “magic” batteries would still go a long ways in extending the runway for humanity to figure things out.

          So magic batteries would provide us with useful energy from what is currently not-so-useful energy.

          • a battery returns less energy than is put in

            simple definition

            • ivanislav says:

              And a gallon of gasoline provides less useful energy out than its bonds contain. So what? Did you not read my post?

              The main point I made is that solar’s main drawback is that it’s hard to store and so having better batteries makes that energy source more viable.

    • Vern Baker says:

      Warning: Matt Ferrel – a tendency towards believing in magic.

  35. Gail cut my last post so I will tone it down a bit.

    To reach the next level of civilization , the might-is-right doctrine of the Collective West is the only philosophy which will cut it.

    It is regrettable that the heads of Western Countries are now relearning realpolitik , 150 years after Bismarck had developed the theory.

    Reaching the next level of civ is the greatest good. Nothing else even comes close to it. So all sacrifices, made by those who are probably unlikely to benefit from the next level of civilization, is justifiable.

    If the might-is-right doctrine is defeated, the Collective West is done because it cannot get the resources on the cheap anymore and the costs will kill any progress.

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    Hockey earlier — half the team didn’t show ‘sick’ Those that did moaning about endless sickness – two of them not feeling well but came out anyway..

    We picked up a player — he would be early 20’s — said he recently had severe flu – was given antibiotics — didn’t help at all…

    Another guy was telling me he had to take pain killers when he had the flu last month – pain killers? For what? Body ache was so painful he needed them.

    Something wicked is brewing in these people

    • ivanislav says:

      Probably just got tired of you ranting about GVB with that 1500hp brain of yours so they went to the bar.

  37. Tim Groves says:

    Things are Heating Up in Odessa!

    Massive Attack! A Lot of Explosions at Military Facilities All Over the City!

    No Air Defense System at All!

    Ukrainians Have Lost The Entire Port Infrastructure!

    https://rumble.com/v30w9y2-ukrainians-have-lost-the-entire-port-infrastructure.-military-summary-and-a.html

    • How long can this continue??

      • Fast Eddy says:

        They seem to have trouble getting video of the war… I saw one explosion on that clip … how do I know that is not a clip from another war?

        It’s a fake war.

        • fake war? lol check yourself into a facility

        • Tim Groves says:

          Modern war can look like a fireworks show, if you aren’t on the receiving end of the ordinance.

          And one nighttime bombing raid can look much like another to people unfamiliar with the city being bombed.

          And anything we see in a video can be deepfaked. It’s become an art form.

          Having said that, what I am seeing, including on the Military Summary channel, has the ring of real reporting to it. So I am prepared to suspend my disbelief and accept that a real war is going on, while always bearing in mind that I might be wrong—the whole thing could be a Hollywood-style hyperrealistic but fictional war movie starring Vlad and Vlod.

          Beyond that, it doesn’t matter what you personally or I personally believe about the Ukraine situation. We might as well be looking at Saturn’s rings through a telescope. Nothing we do or think is going to make any difference at all to that conflict.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Also, a lot of these videos of soldiers and tanks running across the fields and hiding in the hedgerows could be military exercise films. I’m not Scott Ritter. It all looks the same to me.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The Tells include :

            1. Pooty does not leverage his energy card to f789 up the EU… he could topple governments by informing the mob that he’s gonna reduce the energy supply cuz he’s not happy with NATO… and they’d riot.

            2. Pooty could smash the infrastructure of Ukey with cruise missiles.. no need to level the country … just smash one significant target per week.

            3. We see next to no clips from UKEY civilians… we saw more in a day from the France riots than during this entire war

            4. We have seen many fake clips — which reminds me of the fake clips we saw from Wuhan etc…

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I saw a clip the other day — some men shooting at trucks — one of them had a camera on his gun … hahaha i guess he wanted to live stream … then when they opened the door on the truck they blocked out the images …

        It stunk of fakery …

    • There is even a problem where workers are back in the office:

      Unlike landlords in New York and London, Hong Kong’s can’t blame remote work for the slump. The city’s highly efficient public transport system and tiny apartments have given residents fewer reasons to work from home. The city is already back at the office; subway ridership surpassed 2019 levels in March.

      But the commercial market slump in a rising interest-rate environment still has property owners such as Evergrande in a tough situation. They can’t refinance buildings because of falling values, nor can they easily find buyers for them. The choice is to sell at a steep discount or stomach interest payments. Instead of providing liquidity and stability, real estate assets have become a burden.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The ponzi scheme fuelled by cheap $$$ and forever ++++ asset inflation is coming back to bite them in the a.ss

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    The World’s Empty Office Buildings Have Become a Debt Time Bomb

    From San Francisco to Hong Kong, higher interest rates and falling property values are bringing the commercial real estate market to a perilous precipice.

    In New York and London, owners of gleaming office towers are walking away from their debt rather than pouring good money after bad. The landlords of downtown San Francisco’s largest mall have abandoned it. A new Hong Kong skyscraper is only a quarter leased.

    The creeping rot inside commercial real estate is like a dark seam running through the global economy. Even as stock markets rally and investors are hopeful that the fastest interest-rate increases in a generation will ebb, the trouble in property is set to play out for years.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-23/commercial-real-estate-reset-is-causing-distress-from-san-francisco-to-hong-kong

    Tickety Tockety

  39. Jan says:

    One of Gail’s ideas is, that the ‘interconnected economy’ will suffer partial decline as a consequence of oil scarcity which in the end leads to a decline of exploration and production and thus into a vicious circle. Debts may play a larger role in this process.

    Now the EU, the Biden government and Blackrock (Larry Fink; also the German opposition leader is former Blackrock president) and perhaps some more banks agree on a politics of desinvestment into the fossile energy industry in favour of an investment into alternative energies.

    If we assume that alternative energies can never replace oil and gas, this political decision becomes another factor of destruction – it actively reduces fossile production in extend to the vicious circle described by Gail.

    The recent pandemic created big earnings for Big Pharma. It is likely, that a lot of this return will be invested into alternative energies. This might be, where the money to invest comes from in times of recession.

    So the question, if alternative energy can technically replace fossiles is crucial. If not, we were not only losing our civilisatory bases but we were accelerating fossile decline and we had made false investment decisions.

    This would mean, we had spent our economic surplus for something that does not help us to survive in the future and we would have actively destroyed our fossile basis.

    • drb753 says:

      It is all kabuki. resource depletion is the driver. It is like saying that the fox judgement that the grapes were sour contributed to its hunger. They were just unreachable.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      They allocate $$$ to renewable energy and EVs solely to create the perception that we are transitioning — to ensure the MORE-ONS do not panic …

      End of the day it does not matter if they ‘waste’ $$$ on this nonsense … any more than it would matter if they decided to ‘waste’ it on building a roller coaster in every neighbourhood across the world.

      Economic activity is economic activity…. these industries create jobs — and demand for resources — driving GDP.

      They know it’s all bullsh7t.

      It is necessary though.

    • I AM THE MOB says:

      What if renewables are just to give people some kind of job and something to hope for after demographic (population) collapse.

      I mean we’re going to have to shift to a different paradigm that isn’t based on cheeseburgers and merry go rounds. What the hell else are people supposed to do all day? I’m assuming work weeks will be shorten, but we still have all these factories that could be building things that aren’t “my pillows”.

      My 2 pennies

      • Ravi Uppal says:

        ” What the hell else are people supposed to do all day? ” . Dimitry Orlov put this question up several years ago . His solution was > Man has to learn the art of doing nothing ” . 🙂

    • Jan says:

      Thanks for your thoughts, very interesting!

    • The investment in alternatives energy approaches helps the economy in strange ways, even if it doesn’t actually provide much useful energy:

      1. It provides a fairy tale that can be repeated far and wide in text books. It becomes more or less a religion of its own.

      2. It allows many areas of educational institutions to grow, with young people and others pursuing (fairly nonsense) solutions. It is easy to build models that show that these “solutions” might somewhat work, if a person leaves out enough details and makes enough wrong equivalences.

      3. The pursuit of these so-called solutions gives governments an excuse to borrow money to support the new effort, and funnel this money into the overall system. It also gives students an excuse to borrow money to support their education in this “promising” new field.

      4. It helps blow up a debt bubble that keeps the economy from collapsing. It keeps “demand” higher than it otherwise would be.

    • hkeithhenson says:

      “if alternative energy can technically replace fossiles is crucial.”

      That’s an engineering question. For a lot of uses, the answer is obvious. Electricity is the easy replacement, a pump cares not one bit about where the energy comes from. Neither does an arc type steel plant. Aluminum is more difficult.

      It is more complicated where fossil fuels are being used for things like plastics. But today it is almost economic to make synthetic oil from CO2 out of the air and hydrogen from water.

      It is largely a matter of asking engineers.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Are you a bot?

      • i’m pretty sure that if an ”engineer” had the answer to that problem keith

        he wouldn’t be sitting around waiting to be asked

        • hkeithhenson says:

          “waiting to be asked”

          Norm, engineers are highly paid, for good reasons, the skills are difficult to learn and solving problems is hard even for them. They don’t work for free.

          On the other hand, the AI revolution has about doubled the productivity of engineers since last September when GPTChat 4 was released. So the cost of solving the energy/carbon problems may have fallen by half.

          I could cite perhaps a dozen developments, including a few that amazed me. I don’t have the link handy, but there is an operation called Prometheus Fuels in Santa Cruse, CA that is directly combining CO2, water and electric power to make motor fuel.

          Existing processes could convert that fuel into plastics for your mouse and kb.

          • Keith

            pulling fuel out of the atmosphere has been around for a long time—the theory is well known and accepted.

            But even I know that it consumes more energy than it produces.

            Right now–we pull oil out of the ground, and convert it into whatever we want—a single extractive process, —magic,

            It is that single extractive process that has created what we know as modern civilisation—nothing, literally nothing–else.

            What you advocate is going through several processes to get back to the hydrocarbon that can then the be made into what we want to use.

            Those ”several processes’ consume energy that has to come from somewhere. The fact remains that that level of energy is not available to us.

            the calorific value contained in a barrel oil oil is fixed

            we cannot sustain a BAU that requires us to expend the calorific value of 2 barrels of oil in order to have one barrel of oil we can actually use.

            I KNOW the arithmetic says we can.

            Real life says we can’t.

            And if the means existed to circumvent this, you can be certain that some ”engineer” would have figured it out by now.

            Our current existence is entirely dependent on converting explosive force into rotary motion. We can only do that (at scale) by burning hydrocarbons. (via our extractive system)

  40. Tim Groves says:

    IRISH FARMERS OUTRAGED AS GOVERNMENT MOVES TO CULL 200,000 HEALTHY COWS TO MEET CLIMATE GOALS

    Farmers in Ireland are expressing outrage over the globalist Irish government’s decision to cull 200,000 of the nation’s healthy cows to meet the green agenda’s climate goals.

    The government is moving to reduce national cattle numbers over claims they contribute to “climate change” due to “carbon emissions.”

    A report by the Irish Department of Agriculture outlined how 200,000 cows could be killed over the next three years to meet carbon targets.

    The plan would reportedly come at a cost of around 600 million euros to taxpayers, with the document indicating that 5,000 euros per cow would be offered as compensation.

    The country’s Environmental Protection Agency said that the agriculture industry was creating nearly 40 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions there, and much of it stems from the methane in livestock and the use of nitrogen fertilizer.

    https://slaynews.com/news/irish-farmers-government-cull-200000-healthy-cows-meet-climate-goals/

    Meeting climate goals? That’s not what you kill healthy cows for.

    Meanwhile, the Republic of Ireland is rapidly taking in new immigrants and boosting its burping, farting and consuming human population to pre-potato-famine numbers.

    This gives new relevance to the old joke, What does it say on the bottom of an Irish milk bottle?

    • Xabier says:

      PLANNED FAMINE

      How ironic that the govt of the Irish Republic should be engaged in this…..

      • Fast Eddy says:

        YES!

        Prepping the cockroaches for Global Holodomor – if there ain’t no food — and they are told over and over again there ain’t none — they don’t try to break the lockdown and go looking (and killing people to eat them)…

        It all sounds so grotesque… so horrifying… but really — it is for the better…. it truly is the right thing to do

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    What’s Rod up to? https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/81582

    norm – explain

  42. I AM THE MOB says:

    It’s becoming difficult to determine who’s left, right, straight, gay, man, woman, native, etc.

    I know this story. “The Sneetches” by Dr Seuss.

  43. Fast Eddy says:

    Bright Red Weather Maps and Fake Temperature ‘Records’ Drive Climate Panic

    https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/18/bright-red-weather-maps-and-fake-temperature-records-drive-climate-panic/

  44. Fast Eddy says:

    I was discussing the the current state of Covid and Rat Juice affairs with an acolyte (Oxford trained scholar/lawyer – partner in global law firm — great thinker/degnerate)…. earlier today … and was updating him on the GVB position re leaky vaccines during pandemics and the risks…

    We touched on how it is interesting that the authorities were ramming shot after shot into the MOREONS to save the world from a virus that had a fatality rate similar to the annual flu (even with the Remdesivir and Midazolam murders)….

    And how they have come completely off the gas over the past 6+ months.

    They tell the MOREONS Covid is no longer dangerous (it never was of course) leading to complacency … they make a lukewarm offer of an annual shot but no free donut… no sense of urgency….

    Now why were they so motivated to get those first 2-4 shots into the MOREONS then essentially stop?

    And why is Covid no longer mentioned – we both scanned a series of MSM to see if there was any mention of Covid on the home pages — nothing. We also did some searches and there was very little in recent months and next to nothing about Covid being a threat.

    As be both know – the MOREONS are controlled by the MSM and if there are no scare stories and no push to inject more Rat Juice – the MOREONS won’t bother.

    We conclude that the authorities prefer that the MOREONS stop injecting.

    The discussion turned to what happens to the unvaxxed chickens when exposed to Marek’s… if you tossed an unvaxxed chicken into a barn filled with 10,000 vaxxed chickens of which some would be harbouring Marek’s… how long would the chicken last?

    Then I introduced the scenario where the 10,000 chickens would be kept alive long enough so that their Marek’s vax efficacy waned… and were not given any further vaccines….

    My acolyte and I shared a moment of profound uncomfortable silence …

    I then said … let’s listen to the creepy music shall we? Yes he said — let’s do that.

    https://metatron.substack.com/p/covid-requiem-aeternam?s=r

    • Tim Groves says:

      GVB (Bossche) is extremely worried about this, and he hasn’t backed down an inch, despite admitting that it’s taking a bit longer to brew up the Devil’s scenario that he had originally expected, and despite getting heckled by Ivanislav.

      Meanwhile, J.J. Couey stresses that the shots were not vaccines but were transfections (and Heather ing of Brett & Heather fame seconds that contention). Transfection refers to the introduction of foreign genetic material, such as DNA or RNA, into cells. This process is often used in research to study gene function or to produce therapeutic proteins. It can be achieved through various methods, such as electroporation, lipofection, or viral vectors.

      Couey, who has done a lot of unspeakable experiments on live animals in his time, has also said something along the lines of transfection is not something you want to do to a mammal if you want it to live a long and healthy life. I don’t have a link to this, and it isn’t a direct quote, but I have heard him say at least twice in videos. It all sounds pretty ominous to me.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        We do know that the rationale for injecting the Rat Juice is based on a series of lies.

        We do know that the lipid nano particles (Trojan Horses) were used to trick the MORE-ONS defences allowing something to enter their cells.

        We do know that the energy situation is critical and that BAU was on the verge of total collapse in the months preceding the announcement of Covid.

        We do know that a cull is not feasible as per the Trade-Off study.

        We do know that there is a large body of evidence that states the risks of deploying leaky vaccines during pandemics.

        They did not inject 6B (and I understand they are focusing on Africa now so expect that number to grow) to make them smarter or better looking — and definitely not to improve their IQs.

        Without a doubt there is something ominous playing out here… and I am looking forward to finding out what exactly they have done.

        End of the day 8B eat oil — and we are in deep depletion of the affordable stuff… expect the worst.

        • Fred says:

          Jeez FE, this post is verily mellow compared to your standard fare and sounds almost optimistic vs your preferred role in cyberspace as headkicker-in-chief of the doomer ultras.

          No mention of UEP?

          Please revert to type, otherwise next up we might have Norm voicing the teeniest bit of concern that perhaps the jab was not Pharma philanthropically gifting wellbeing to all of humanity.

          Death rate +16% and birth rate -15% in Australia for 2022, so nothing to see here, move right along. Nothing that fact checkers, censorship and a crackdown on misinformation can’t fix.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            UEP is clearly the most likely outcome … but who knows – they might use a binary poison releasing it as they lose control of BAU…

            I am confident that we get a UEP ending – total annihilation … doesn’t really matter what the trigger is

            • Tim Groves says:

              As you’ve outlined in some detail, there are fates worse than UEP.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Recall the scene from the book The Road (the movie glossed over it)… the man and the boy walk into a house and in the cellar humans are chained and being butchered … if I recall they were hacking body parts off and cauterizing the wounds — probably because they had not way to store the meat.

              Imagine the bad guys bust into a doomie prep … kill the kids one by one and eat them (not too much meat on a kid so no need to preserve…) — of course they rape them first (even the males)… then they turn their attention to you and the wife… sawing your wife’s hind quarters off while you watch…. then plunging her into a fire to seal the wound.

              Let’s not forget – humans are vicious animals — look at what we do to other animals so we can have tear-free makeup and shampoo….

              Look at the horrifying tortures we have used throughout history

              And the call Fauci a monster… he is a hero

            • drb753 says:

              Agree, Tim. For example, imagine that there is only one blog you read on the internet, and someone spams it with hundreds of posts every day. Isn’t it worse than UEP? Guess it is preparing me for the second phase.

        • Xabier says:

          We also know that They are gearing up for another ‘pandemic’ – see the elaborate and ominous manoeuvres at the WHO which will culminate in mid-2024 – and building massive new vaxx factories.

          And this is accompanied by open planning for even more complete control of media and communications, ie the war against ‘ dangerous misinformation’.

          I really don’t think a novel Bossche variant is at all necessary to Their plans – but it might not come amiss.

          Well, let’s smell the roses, savour the wine, kiss the pretty girls, sharpen our swords and polish our armour: something nasty is certainly brewing…..

          • ”building massive new vax factories”

            eye rolling time again in Merrie England

            • Tim Groves says:

              Injected through needles the size of drain pipes!

              We also know that the less humans are consuming, the farther the resources will stretch, and the younger people die after retirement age, the less pension, medical and welfare payments governments will need to make.

            • amazing at it may seem tim—all that is a calculation i could work out for myself

              so why go to the the trouble of calling them vax factories

              why not just feed surplus live people (such as yours truly) in at one end and dispose of dead people at the other?

              i understand the latest body disposal system is just liquefaction anyway

              seems very convenient all round

            • Tim Groves says:

              It’s the marketing, Norman.

              “Massive new vax factories” sounds a whole lot more palatable and less scary than “massive new injectable bioweapon factories”.

              We’ll be extra safe and fully protected once they’re up and running.

              by the way, I trod on a rusty nail a couple of weeks ago and inoculated myself against tetanus.

              Perhaps I should drink a glass of stagnant pond water to immunize myself against cholera and typhoid?

            • just hang around in ofw

              by virtue of contact that will immunise you against every possible contagion, from ingrowing toenails to leprosy.

              i am living proof of that.

            • Xabier says:

              Yes, Norman: are you not aware, perchance, of the officially-announced partnership between your govt and Moderna, building an mRNA vaxx factory – this year – in Oxfordshire, with a projected capacity of 220 million shots per annum? Due to come on-line in 2024? Together with a huge research partnership with academia?

              Just read the fucking news, half-wit.

            • my wit is constantly searching for its other half

              ///////We also know that They are gearing up for another ‘pandemic’ – see the elaborate and ominous manoeuvres at the WHO which will culminate in mid-2024 – and building massive new vaxx factories./////////

              The clear implication that another pandemic is going to be deliberatly infliclted on us by “they”.

              Xabier—do I read the news?—Yes this from the Oxford Mail—which you of course read half, then added the other half (wit) for your own generation of hysteria, which you unleash on OFW.

              From the Oxford Mail:
              //////The biotechnology company will create its Moderna Innovation and Technology Centre in Harwell “to provide the UK public with access to mRNA vaccines for a wide range of respiratory diseases”.///////

              This is not some dark plot by “they” to eliminate humankind.—but no doubt your need of hysteria will find it so.

              Do:you think that if we arranged a conjoining of our respective wits, they might make a coherent whole?

              If i were you–I’d go and picket the site–lie down in front of a JCB other something.

              In the meantime, my halfwit will have to work overtime to make up for the missing half.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              NOF/half-wit.

              It can be frustrating to have to deal with someone like this… the thing is.. he really believes this rubbish – he is not a wind up artist

              norm is an indication of what the vast majority of humans are like … if you accept that… it’s not really that sad to understand that we are being exterminated… it’s actually a good thing

          • I AM THE MOB says:

            Britain on lockdown alert as new killer virus which kills 40% of victims ‘certain’ to reach UK

            https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/britain-on-lockdown-alert-as-new-killer-virus-which-kills-40-of-victims-certain-to-reach-uk/ar-AA1dTC8D

            • Tim Groves says:

              Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (CCHF) – which kills between 10–40% of people infected – has been identified as a major threat to public health.

              The World Health Organisation says the virus – which kills 500 people every year – is mainly transmitted to people from ticks and livestock animals.

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              500 a year.

              1.3 people a day.

              0.00666 deaths per country, per year.

              Wouldn’t it be easier to just do another rebranding?

      • ivanislav says:

        >> GVB (Bossche) is extremely worried about this, and he hasn’t backed down an inch

        Well, he did say he isn’t going to be posting updates anymore. Sounds like the jig is up! On to the next scam … I am hoping he reappears in a Hamburgler or Zoro costume during the next psy-op to make similarly stupid claims.

        >> despite getting heckled by Ivanislav.

        What is good for the goose is good for the gander! Eddy claims to have a 1500 hp brain. I have a sneaking suspicion that HP = horse poop, however.

        😛

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Did I miss the part where you posted research indicating that deploying leaky vaccines during a pandemic is a good idea and carries no risk?

          Surely you have found a few papers that recommend we wait until flu season is in full swing before offering that dodgy vaccine – rather than guessing at the inbound variant and vaccinating before hand.

          Can you repost please -otherwise shut the f789 up

          • ivanislav says:

            >> Did I miss the part where you posted research indicating that deploying leaky vaccines during a pandemic is a good idea and carries no risk

            Every single year with the flu vaccine.

            >> shut the f789 up

            Don’t get upset with me that you fell for the Hamburgler ruse. *Be better.*

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I suppose you missed my earlier post copied from the CDC explaining that they vaccinate for the flu prior to the flu season. i.e. the do not deploy the vaccine during the pandemic.

              It’s ok if you missed it the first time… now you know

              Duh.

            • ivanislav says:

              You are not even the Hamburgler – you are his sidekick. Tough life.

  45. MG says:

    Why Christianity produces so many churches, communities etc.?

    Because the people are ready to pay to somebody who controls the population in a peaceful way.

  46. Fast Eddy says:

    🚨 Ed Dowd Drops Bombshell Data: Hematological (Blood-Related) Claims Up 522% Above Trend in 2022

    “The trends were stable — and then this exploded.”

    Continue reading in the link below for more details:

    https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/ed-dowd-drops-bombshell-data-hematological

  47. Fast Eddy says:

    I had to abandon reading this… it’s a massive steaming heap of dog sh it.

    https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2023/07/18/259-the-way-we-live-next/

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      one article by Morgan blows away your entire lifetime of posts.

      (though you are funnier, ha.)

      Fast Henny the OFW Sciencetard.

      😉

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Not to toot Fast Eddy’s horn … but he IS the GREATEST thinker ever. And I do mean ever.

        Undisputed … G.O.A.T.

      • drb753 says:

        In fairness to Henny, Morgan arrives at making a decent copy of Gail’s posts only after years of obscuring economic analysis. I am unimpressed by his talent.

      • ivanislav says:

        Fast Henny / Slow Derpy – we appreciate the entertainment that you and Norm provide. Even Dennis L’s “Starship Inflation/Deflation?” shtick is now ok. The roles are so static and predictable that it’s mildly comforting! … It reminds me that everything is in its place. Another day of Status Quo BAU.

    • The fact that Tim Morgan feels as need to sign his post, “Dr. Tim Morgan” is a give away that he really doesn’t have very good ideas of his own. He has simply tried to piggy back on the ideas of others.

      The fact that his Energy Cost of Energy (or whatever he calls it) is similar to that of Dr. Charles Hall’s makes it sound like what he is saying is right. The problem is that Dr. Charles Hall’s Energy Return on Energy Invested makes wind and solar sound very much better than they really are. Morgan picks up on this wrong finding.

      Morgan also doesn’t understand dissipative structures and how they work. He is basically an economist.

      • Xabier says:

        Fairly put, Gail. I doubt he would pretend to be anything else, although he likes to make occasional forays into history.

        I would add that he is also somewhat detached from the trend of world events, which makes his surmises as to what might happen in the near future of doubtful value.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

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        • Fast Eddy says:

          I wonder if he’s shot the Rat Juice

          • Xabier says:

            Yep, bet he’s vaxxed up to the hilt.

            Tim Morgan has never shown any sign of doubting the ‘pandemic’ narrative that I can recall. He supported all the lock-downs.

            He would probably see vaxx scepticism as ‘extremism’: he’s totally British, naive and flabby. Norman, but with several degrees.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        So Tim is like norm.. a serial plagiarizer — cept that Tim has a PeeHD.

      • Fred says:

        Tim is a “a-good-plan-will-sort-this-all-out” optimist hanging desperately by his fingernail to the edge of the doomer cliff. Noooooooooo, don’t let me fall into that pit of negativity.

        He just needs to practice saying out loud “It’s still BAU Baby, let’s party”, crank up the stereo, ingest his drug of choice and start dancing.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Could you guys please refer to him as Dr Tim?

        We don’t want people getting him mixed up with Yours Truly.

        I am totally uncredentialed; the only cred I have is street cred,

        the only models I ever play with are made of balsa wood or plastic,

        and the only seeds I work with come out of a packet.

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